kcjaz
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I am adding a 12000 lb winch and intend to run with a single battery for a while yet. Is there a good starting/deep cycle "combination" battery?
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kcjaz
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After a bit of internet research, NorthStar appears to make Odyssey batteries which seem in general to be getting good reviews for AGM "combination" type batteries. Optima is maybe a better know brand and I believe at one time was considered the tip of the line but there is a lot of internet chatter saying Optima batteries are not what they used to be and the quality has gone down.
Edit: Just because I like to know who really owns who when I am buying any brand name product, NorthStar and Odyssey are owned by EnerSys. I'm not sure about this but it looks like Odyssey has been around for 25+ years and they bought NorthStar, then EnerSys bought them both.
Edit: Just because I like to know who really owns who when I am buying any brand name product, NorthStar and Odyssey are owned by EnerSys. I'm not sure about this but it looks like Odyssey has been around for 25+ years and they bought NorthStar, then EnerSys bought them both.
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kcjaz
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More internet research by total battery noob (me) so take it for what's its worth. Odyssey batteries are AGM style batteries but made with "thin plates, pure lead" (TPPL). This is from the Oddyssey for of course it is advocating TPPL. From what I can tell is that TPPL while physically different from the original AGM batteries, is also being used to differentiate from some of the bad quality AGMs coming out of Asia that were giving AGM a bad rap. They are certainly marketing to people like me wanting a "combination" starting and deep cycle battery.
AGM battery: There are two types of AGM batteries – lead-calcium and Thin Plate Pure Lead (TPPL).
AGM battery: There are two types of AGM batteries – lead-calcium and Thin Plate Pure Lead (TPPL).
- Lead-calcium: Lead-calcium AGM batteries have many of the operating limitations of the flooded, wet cell battery, but without the hazardous issues. They are single purpose in function and design. The “SLI” design – starting, lighting and ignition – is pulse starting, but cannot be deep cycled. Doing so would shorten service life dramatically. Lead-calcium “deep cycle” batteries are also single purpose by design in that they support deep discharging, and have a specific deep discharge cycle rating. Their thick plates don’t allow for pulse starting power like the SLI design.
- TPPL: TPPL AGM batteries are dual purpose, have the highest CCA ratings and deep cycle at 400 cycles to 80% depth of discharge. They can be fast charged, and discharged, in the range of -40°F (-40°F) to 176°F (80°C) provide 10-12 years of float service and, best of all, do not fail catastrophically. TPPL AGM batteries are certified environmentally friendly as non-hazardous and non-spillable by US-DOT and International Air Transport Association (IATA).
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You should take a look at the Northstar Pro series batteries. Here's a link to the Series 27F which is what I've been running for about 5 years: Northstar -NSB-AGM27F
This one:
- Cycles over 900 times at 50% depth of discharge
HTH
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kcjaz
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Yes, thanks. The NorthStar version is just not available locally and online w/ shipping is silly expensive. Amazon has one for $800 with "free" shipping. X2 Power is obtainable locally at Batteries+Bulbs with a 10% off if I order online and pick up at store. The X2 Power is the same as the NorthStar just branded for BatteriesPlus (Batteries+Bulbs in KS).
I bought a Odyssey ODPAGM24F for my Taco at Advanced AutoParts today as the original OEM battery gave up last week. One thing about Covid and working from home is that I don't drive much anymore. I think this hastened the Taco battery demise. I think AGMs will do better with this. I'm also going to start using battery maintainer on the LC for sure as it really does sit most of the time now accept for trips.
Group 27F is the factory size so I would assume any group 27F would fit without modification. Just make sure 27F not 27.
You can also fit the group 31 but it's not a drop in replacement. You'll need a larger tray and terminal adapters.
Be aware that the factory charging system is designed for flooded lead-acid (FLA) not AGM. If you switch to AGM, you will want to add a diode or something to address the charging profile requirements.
You can also fit the group 31 but it's not a drop in replacement. You'll need a larger tray and terminal adapters.
Be aware that the factory charging system is designed for flooded lead-acid (FLA) not AGM. If you switch to AGM, you will want to add a diode or something to address the charging profile requirements.
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This....
I run a noco for all 3 vehicles....
Its a must to get the most out of any battery....
Yup
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kcjaz
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yes, I thought about that too. The 31 has a little more capacity and is probably the better deep cycle battery which would be good for a winch and no 2nd battery but I just didn't want to mess with any (even minor) cable or tray mods. I've got way too many LC projects in play and it seems I just keep adding and buying things. Plus the 27F is a 60 month replacement warranty vs the 31's 48 months. Also, the 31 weighs and additional 13 lbs (67 vs. 80).
Check into Firefly batteries Firefly International Energy - https://fireflyenergy.com/ mostly for solar, RV and marine applications, but can't ignore the specs and good reviews and is worth a look just for interest. It's pricey as are the Odessy's. In the past I've ordered only Odessy or Optima and I can say for sure the Optima's are not lasting as long as in their earlier days. The reviews are indicating that quality has gone down and I myself had one go bad after 5 years (which they used to last for 8 years.) The blown out Optima pictured with corroded post was on a Mazda pickup (not doing anything heavy duty.)
I am on my way in just a few moments to pick up an Eastern Penn/Dekka (American made in Pennsylvania) AGM group 31, 1050 Cranking Amps Super Start from O'Reily's. The FJ40 sometimes has hard start which I still have not gotten to the bottom of yet and the AGM will give peace of mind that it can be re-charged without damage (if I have tough starts and frequent deep discharges.) Ok, just got the call that the battery came in. Check out Eastern Penn/Dekka batts, but if you can afford it, Odyssy is the best.
This is a good conversation and an educational thread.
At what voltage do AGM batteries like to be charged? I have a DieHard Platinum AGM in my Bronco since 2013, and one in my Tacoma since 2015. They were the preferred battery of the time based on internet research I did back then. I’ve not used a diode or modified a charging system to support AGM so I’m wondering if the charging system in a 2015 LC is drastically different than a 12 Taco or 2000 Explorer (Bronco engine swapped), are the new AGM batteries different, have I just been lucky, does it matter?
I had to put a new battery in the LC last month before a camping trip. My ARB fridge didn’t like the voltage of the Toyota battery in it so I checked and it was below 12. I reluctantly bought a Duralast at autozone as it was the only Group27F battery in town that day. Now I see it hovering around 11.6 volts. I put my battery tender on it for 24 hours and it won’t go green.
I‘m most likely going to get the batteries plus AGM but probably Won’t do the diod mod to bump up the charge voltage. Will I be ruining an expensive battery if I don’t do the mod?
Thanks!
At what voltage do AGM batteries like to be charged? I have a DieHard Platinum AGM in my Bronco since 2013, and one in my Tacoma since 2015. They were the preferred battery of the time based on internet research I did back then. I’ve not used a diode or modified a charging system to support AGM so I’m wondering if the charging system in a 2015 LC is drastically different than a 12 Taco or 2000 Explorer (Bronco engine swapped), are the new AGM batteries different, have I just been lucky, does it matter?
I had to put a new battery in the LC last month before a camping trip. My ARB fridge didn’t like the voltage of the Toyota battery in it so I checked and it was below 12. I reluctantly bought a Duralast at autozone as it was the only Group27F battery in town that day. Now I see it hovering around 11.6 volts. I put my battery tender on it for 24 hours and it won’t go green.
I‘m most likely going to get the batteries plus AGM but probably Won’t do the diod mod to bump up the charge voltage. Will I be ruining an expensive battery if I don’t do the mod?
Thanks!
My optima yellow top is not doing well about 3 years in. I did add the diode and see charging max at 14.3v. I also purchased an optima battery tender and run that four or so times a year too.
It’s now resting around 12v and I plan to replace it at some point this summer.
I think the answer is a quality SLA deep cycle and just plan to replace it more frequently if you scotch it a couple times with the winch.
It’s now resting around 12v and I plan to replace it at some point this summer.
I think the answer is a quality SLA deep cycle and just plan to replace it more frequently if you scotch it a couple times with the winch.
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Meaning a wall-powered charger to keep them topped up? Do they make a solution that accomplishes the same thing off the vehicle charging system?
I went through a similar deal a few weeks ago. I ended up learning that the Optima batteries have issues and even though they seemed to be the most rebound brand, decided against them. I took a simple approach with my research on this, called 3 different battery shops in my local area and asked how often the yellow tops were coming back in under warranty. I was shocked that one shop had 3 returned already that week. He said they have anywhere from 2-6 come back each week.
I ended up going with the Odyssey Performance AGM2 battery. Note: they have an extreme version but they are being discontinued due to problems. They are now pushing the AGM2.
I went ahead and replaced the terminals while I was at it with new OEM. Pricey little suckers. $13 for the left and $32 for the right I think.
I ended up going with the Odyssey Performance AGM2 battery. Note: they have an extreme version but they are being discontinued due to problems. They are now pushing the AGM2.
I went ahead and replaced the terminals while I was at it with new OEM. Pricey little suckers. $13 for the left and $32 for the right I think.
