i have had my fair share of 8274 on my 80 series and jeeps in the past... i like the simple design easy to be rebuilt and modify and great community and support on these winches
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I've been seeing a lot of high prices on used Warn winches where I am. $1000 for a 25 year old M12000 is the best I have found so far. Does that sound about right?
Sure warn is expensive. Compared to apex badlands or smitty built or similar.When you consider they now retail for ~$2300 new, that's probably about right
and when you update the 8274 to the xp motor and Albright. you're gtg.I too am a Warn snob. I had an 8274 on my Jeep TJ and I just put a 9.5XP on my 80 Series. I did some real winching with the 8274 but I haven't used the 9.5XP yet. When I drove my TJ I wheeled with 3 40 series cruisers all with 8274's of various vintages and I've seen them do amazing things.
The new Warn's have Albright solid-state control-boxes instead of the old style solenoids, it's my understanding that the Albright boxes are more reliable / better. Any old Warn with a remote solenoid pack can be upgraded with a new Albright control box purchased either direct from Warn or from 3rd party vendors. If the solenoids are still fresh on the used winch you find I'm not sure the upgrade is necessary, but if they're old and crusty and you get the winch for a low enough price the solid-state box might be a nice upgrade.
Whether or not an M8000 is enough for your 100 series depends a lot on what environment you wheel in, if you're in a lot of deep mud / bog holes then a 12,000 lb winch is the go for a big cruiser to overcome the suction of the mud, if you're winching up dry/loose desert hill climbs then a fast 8,000lb winch will work better because you can winch and drive and the 12,000lb winch will be too slow to keep up with your driving.
A 9,500lb or 10,000lb is a nice middle-ground. A little faster than a 12,000lb winch, you can double-line pull to get out of suction-mud, and they're not too heavy hanging on the front bumper. You'll still outrun them winching and driving though. I got the 9.5XP because it's the fastest Warn in that weight class. Not even close to as fast as an 8274 though, that's the ultimate winching and driving winch because the no-load line speed is blistering fast to take up slack when you get traction.
-Bucket
Lol nonsense. Twine is no match for rugged terrain compared to steel. Keep your knitting needles handy otherwise.the only people who prefer cable, have simply never used rope.
none of the other winches would have a leg to stand on if warn hadn't opened the market and set the standard.
you can run all the cheap shyt you want. my warm will still pull you out when it fails.
ok, I'll bite.Lol nonsense. Twine is no match for rugged terrain compared to steel. Keep your knitting needles handy otherwise.
Warn isn't the only game in town, but it is the only egregiously over-priced game in town. To each their own still.
Would you accept a pull from a Badlands should your Warn die? Happens all the time.
1 - agreed, rigging does give some control over what your line touches, but 20% of the time you don't have a choice. Or, that one time you don't have a choice, and it's enough to sever twine like a knife through butter. Plus each hard pull degrades the life and capacity of twine. Especially if it's been through dirt or mud, slowly cutting the strands from the inside with each subsequent pull. It's just far too 'consumable' imo to be considered a serious replacement for steel. At least for those who don't want to be constrained by 'twine anxiety'. (will it break this time?!)ok, I'll bite.
1. if you are consistently dragging your cable across terrain to the point it's possibly damaging the line, you probably need lessons in rigging.
2. this thread is not asking about new warns, which i agree are currently overpriced considering they're obviously built right next to the apex and other foreign bs.
3. if by some chance my rig blows up and both of my warns fail, I'll take whatever rope/cable to get my broken shyt out of the way of others.
i would simply never run an import winch on principle.
lol Why would I? But you will one day.i think you're the only one in the group with the "twine anxiety"
the rest of us use and actually believe in the product