Rivian R1S vs LC thoughts? (2 Viewers)

[82SC]

I agree with the majority here. But remember when gas used to be 1 dollar and change.

I will probably see 10 dollar (inflation adjusted) gas in my lifetime.

Grudgingly I will prob will have an EV for daily use and my petrol cars for the weekend.

I 100% agree with analog vs digital.

But the next generation will say I have a connection with my car. It knows exactly what I want when I want it and gives it to me the way I want. And when I want it to drive me to work it does. And when I put my VR glasses and make it sound and feel like a Porsche 917 flat 12 it does that too. Lolol.

 

[coleAK]

I am sticking with good ole gas. To me electric is just another polluter people have adopted as environmentally friendly. Absolute illusion. The only way to actually prevent an environmental impact is to stop reproducing and live in a yurt or become Amish.

I think it goes a bit deeper then just about performance and practicality. For me, it’s about connecting with the vehicle. Having driven a couple EV’s, I just find them bland. I don’t care about 0-60 times and charging times are still outrageously long, when I can hit a gas station and be in/out in 5-10mins. max. They simply don’t do anything for me. I sold my 19’ LC and bought the new X7 that is whisper quiet and absolutely sound insulating. It is hands down much better suv for pavement road tripping and errand running then the LC. But after two months, I was kind of over it and wanted a 200 again. I am the type of person who prefers a mechanical watch over an iwatch even though the iwatch offers much more capability. I will 1000% never own an ev. Our X7 40i gets 450mi of range. No need for an EV for us.

I’ve owned a Porsche 911 turbo, a GT3, a gutted supercharged s2000 track car, AMGs, a caterham, and an M3. The model 3 is the most enjoyable fun car to drive I’ve ever owned.

 

[Angelo1]

Couple things for all you doubters, Eletric vehicles are here and will boom in popularity, you will own one in the future, its just the way its going. Second, there are obvious downsides to electric, but there are downsides to ICE too, it just depends on what you what to focus on. Obviously, most people posting on Mud are a very unique users with needs that can’t be met by EVs but if you have a cruiser why would you not have your family’s second vehicle be an EV?

I personally doubt I will buy another ICE vehicle. I have my 16’ LX that I need for things that only gas can do, like tow, off-road far from civilization, long road trips, ext. But you have to be honest with yourselves, electric is superior for the vast majority of car needs. I’m a cruiser guy through and through, I’ve owned nothing but cruisers since college and its the Mud is the only place that I can find people as passionate as me about Land Cruisers, but the fact is, Rivian outperforms LC’s in almost every metric.

I live in Denver and have a house in the mountains, an electric vehicle would cut my gas prices a ton and be great for driving back and forth weekly. It’s faster, has more storage, cheaper to operate and maintain, has better tech, is cheaper new, ext. (let’s not forget that 200 series have less range than most EVs, its frankly ridiculous) I imagine a 5-10 years down the road that I will have an old built 80 series and my wife and I will both have EVs for everyday use.

I’ve owned a Porsche 911 turbo, a GT3, a gutted supercharged s2000 track car, AMGs, a caterham, and an M3. The model 3 is the most enjoyable fun car to drive I’ve ever owned.

I totally hear you. It appears we have cars in common. My favorite was a Bentley super sport and second to that was the CLS63s. The model 3 being fun to drive is definitely a different experience from mine. I don’t find the interior anything to write home about and I can’t stand fake leather seats. In Alaska it’s probably not that big of deal since it doesn’t get hot like it does here in the South. I’m not anti Tesla as I am really pushing for the company to do well so my stock continues to climb And Lucid as well

 

[supercarrera]

I was never a big EV fan until I drove my friends P100D. Everything else seems pretty low-tech compared to that. I've seen Rivians driving around here and they look pretty dope. But I'm more of a cyber truck fan. I would be interested in getting one of those probably or maybe the electric Hummer.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

Rivian outperforms LC’s in almost every metric.

You make plenty of reasonable points, but I wouldn't make claims like that until Rivian has actually built hundreds of thousands of vehicles, and they have spent many years on the road, in all of the same worldly conditions that LCs live in. All we have at this point are a handful of R1Ts in the wild, and a bunch of fanboy reviews, which are understandable, but unlikely to be representative of real world, long-term use.

LCs have been made for decades over decades, and their 'metrics' have been as proven as 'proven' gets. Rivian is but an embryo that just met its sperm.

 

[04UZJ100]

You make plenty of reasonable points, but I wouldn't make claims like that until Rivian has actually built hundreds of thousands of vehicles, and they have spent many years on the road, in all of the same worldly conditions that LCs live in. All we have at this point are a handful of R1Ts in the wild, and a bunch of fanboy reviews, which are understandable, but unlikely to be representative of real world, long-term use.

LCs have been made for decades over decades, and their 'metrics' have been as proven as 'proven' gets. Rivian is but an embryo that just met its sperm.

Shiny object syndrome….like I said. You won’t see 30 year old Rivians a la 80 series being sought after to take people to the most extreme places on earth. That I can reasonably predict will not occur.

 

[NYC570]

I belive my current set of cars (LX570, 911 TTS and ISF) will be my last ICE. Toyota and lexus recently showcased about 16 EVs. I'd actually own an EV right now if QC was up to toyota/lexus standards.

 

[Itsky]

Couple things for all you doubters, Eletric vehicles are here and will boom in popularity, you will own one in the future, its just the way its going. Second, there are obvious downsides to electric, but there are downsides to ICE too, it just depends on what you what to focus on. Obviously, most people posting on Mud are a very unique users with needs that can’t be met by EVs but if you have a cruiser why would you not have your family’s second vehicle be an EV?
…I live in Denver and have a house in the mountains, an electric vehicle would cut my gas prices a ton and be great for driving back and forth weekly. It’s faster, has more storage, cheaper to operate and maintain, has better tech, is cheaper new, ext. (let’s not forget that 200 series have less range than most EVs, its frankly ridiculous) I ….

a stock LC can easily get 18mpg highway, I had tanks getting 18.75mpg where I went 360 miles before tapping into the reserve. in all it has a 24.5 gallon tank. That’s 441 miles.

I wonder what a rivians range will be with e rated 34s, a winch bumper and roof rack that can hold 500+ lbs.

also, what about that charging time?

 

[coleAK]

a stock LC can easily get 18mpg highway, I had tanks getting 18.75mpg where I went 360 miles before tapping into the reserve. in all it has a 24.5 gallon tank. That’s 441 miles.

I wonder what a rivians range will be with e rated 34s, a winch bumper and roof rack that can hold 500+ lbs.

also, what about that charging time?

In the best possible conditions going downhill with a tailwind. In My stock LX going 55-60mph on the highway I get ~15-16 mpg. 12 mpg in the city. When I have on both my yakama boxes or my RTT Highway I get more like 12 mpg. Towing my camper 8-9 mpg. Nice thing with the Rivian truck is you can put things in or over the bed so it dosn’t effect aerodynamics like on the roof. I’m expecting a 50% range loss towing my camper which is why I reserved the largest battery for each.

Rivian comes stock with all season 34’s and then claims a 5-10% range hit with the 34” upgraded AT tires.

 

[Itsky]

Where is moar acceleration and speed needed? In my adventuring and around town driving, I’m almost never even close to using 100% of what the LC 200. Today I drove from 750 ft, up to tahoe, at over 7000ft in -10 temps, heater and defroster blaring. Easy work.

In the best possible conditions going downhill with a tailwind. In My stock LX going 55-60mph on the highway I get ~15-16 mpg. 12 mpg in the city. When I have on both my yakama boxes or my RTT Highway I get more like 12 mpg. Towing my camper 8-9 mpg. Nice thing with the Rivian truck is you can put things in or over the bed so it dosn’t effect aerodynamics like on the roof. I’m expecting a 50% range loss towing my camper which is why I reserved the largest battery for each.

Rivian comes stock with all season 34’s and then claims a 5-10% range hit with the 34” upgraded AT tires.

weird. Wonder why yours is so much worse than mine.

here are my last 10 tanks, lifted with 33s. Most of these are a mix of driving to the office, shuttling kids and trips to tahoe to ski. (Last two tanks are with Yakima box)

- 8/13/21, M: 291.375, G: 17.5, MPG: 16.65

- 8/15/21, M: 347.865, G: 19.1, MPG: 18.21

- 8/28/21, M: 286.545, G: 18.6, MPG: 15.41

- 9/9/21, M: 324.45, G: 20.1, MPG: 16.14

- 9/19/21, M: 293.055, G: 20.01, MPG: 14.65 - city

- 10/23/21, M: 274.05, G: 19.4, MPG: 14.13

- 10/30/21, M: 274.575, G: 18.97, MPG: 14.47

- 12/8/21, M: 298.935, G: 20.9, MPG: 14.30

- 12/19/21, M: 115.395, G: 7.8, MPG: 14.79

- 12/23/21, M: 295.155, G: 19.9, MPG: 14.83 Tahoe trip

 

[bloc]

My cruiser on stock p-metric tires with over 100k miles on the vehicle returned reliable 17-18mpg tanks cruising at 73-74mph. Cross winds hurt it more than headwinds, typically.

And I’ve seen many reports of similar on here.

15-16 downhill isn’t typical for stock aero profile and tires.

 

[Tex68w]

I've seen a few Rivian trucks in the wild here now and we just passed another on a flatbed in Austin on Friday so they are starting to show up here in Texas. I personally have more interest in the SUV than the truck but that's more of an aesthetics thing for me. The range, charging network, power grid and just time in service from these EV's has a lot to prove still before I make the jump to an all electric vehicle. I know that the writing is on the wall and eventually I will have one in the garage, but it won't be anytime soon.

Our LX on 33's could still touch 19+ mpg on the highway and we regularly see 17-18 mpg in the Cruiser on 33's.

 

[Angelo1]

Where is moar acceleration and speed needed? In my adventuring and around town driving, I’m almost never even close to using 100% of what the LC 200. Today I drove from 750 ft, up to tahoe, at over 7000ft in -10 temps, heater and defroster blaring. Easy work.

weird. Wonder why yours is so much worse than mine.

here are my last 10 tanks, lifted with 33s. Most of these are a mix of driving to the office, shuttling kids and trips to tahoe to ski. (Last two tanks are with Yakima box)

- 8/13/21, M: 291.375, G: 17.5, MPG: 16.65

- 8/15/21, M: 347.865, G: 19.1, MPG: 18.21

- 8/28/21, M: 286.545, G: 18.6, MPG: 15.41

- 9/9/21, M: 324.45, G: 20.1, MPG: 16.14

- 9/19/21, M: 293.055, G: 20.01, MPG: 14.65 - city

- 10/23/21, M: 274.05, G: 19.4, MPG: 14.13

- 10/30/21, M: 274.575, G: 18.97, MPG: 14.47

- 12/8/21, M: 298.935, G: 20.9, MPG: 14.30

- 12/19/21, M: 115.395, G: 7.8, MPG: 14.79

- 12/23/21, M: 295.155, G: 19.9, MPG: 14.83 Tahoe trip

What tires are you running?

 

[Angelo1]

I can’t imagine even a 20% national ownership of EVs and how the power grid will handle it. Either way, I’m down with EVs to help reduce noise pollution and lower fuel prices(less demand) and the idiots in power think it’s better to buy foreign oil instead of being energy independent like we were becoming. Next 6mo. expect the national fuel price to hover around $4gal.

 

[DenverLX]

When cars were invented people talked about how great horses were and how they would never stop riding their horses...

Governments and automakers have already set target dates to phase out ICE completely. To say you will never own an EV or imagine 20% ownership is in direct contradiction to the future reality that is already planned. ICE vehicles will be like horses, you can own them, but only rich people will, and it will be for entertainment purposes.

 

[Itsky]

When cars were invented people talked about how great horses were and how they would never stop riding their horses...

Governments and automakers have already set target dates to phase out ICE completely. To say you will never own an EV or imagine 20% ownership is in direct contradiction to the future reality that is already planned. ICE vehicles will be like horses, you can own them, but only rich people will, and it will be for entertainment purposes.

Last spring, I took my family to Sedona, it was a quick 5 or 6 day trip.

Here where the first two days:
day 1: woke up at around 3:30am, drove from El Dorado Hills, CA to Sedona (900 miles), we filled up in town and grabbed sushi. We then drove up Scnebly hill road with the pink Jeep’s and camped on the ledge of the cliff
day2: we drove down that trail, and the spent the day riding trails in the LC and the bikes.
it was glorious.
last day: same thing in reverse.

what ev can do the above? How much charging time?

 

[Itsky]

What tires are you running?

Bfg at ko2 285/70/17 load C

(picked up off Craigslist as new take offs from jeep rubi for ~$750)

 

[iliketrucks]

Electric drivetrains are great and only getting better, what I have a problem with is the rest of the vehicle. Modern vehicles are becoming filled to the brim with sensors/plastic parts/motors/wires/screens/modules. Converting an older car to EV with simple modular components would be the best of both worlds in my opinion.

I have no interest in driving a soulless and disposable appliance, but I'll admit it'd be ideal to get a used leaf or something similar as a beater/daily runaround car. Something the complete opposite of my old diesel land crusier would make a good combo, I'd always have the right tool for the job between both of those.

 

[Angelo1]

When cars were invented people talked about how great horses were and how they would never stop riding their horses...

Governments and automakers have already set target dates to phase out ICE completely. To say you will never own an EV or imagine 20% ownership is in direct contradiction to the future reality that is already planned. ICE vehicles will be like horses, you can own them, but only rich people will, and it will be for entertainment purposes.

I agree with you that Evs will become the norm for upper class rich people. However, here in the South a lot of middle and upper class people own horses and live on generational farms. Rural parts of Colorado through the Midwest is similar. I grew up on a horse ranch in NORCAL and we road horses daily and we weren’t rich. Unfortunately big city elitist push agendas to line their own pockets. Just look how much farm land has been lost to solar farms, corn for ethanol,etc. Progress doesn’t always work for the betterment of humankind. Government is made up of mostly lawyers not actual business owners and farmers like it used to be, so they push this garbage. Evs are just another polluter that makes people feel special like they are making a difference to the environment. Total horse .

 

[ImTod]

For me I have no plans to get rid of my LX, but I do have plans to get an eletric vehicle as a second car for the shorter commutes/day trips. Having multiple friends with Tesla Model 3 or Model S they are pretty awesome cars but I'd never want only have an electric car with the current range limitations. I'd want to see 500-600+ miles a charge before moving to owning only electric cars.

Not to mention they need to figure out what to do with the old batteries, and how replacing them will work. The next few years will be interesting with massive influx of teslas being sold, one their batteries start degrading on a large scale how that will impact resale/value of those cars. Tesla/Rivian and other manufacturers are going to need to have some way to address this that isn't $10-30k for a new battery pack.