Rear end collision , is my frame bent ? (1 Viewer)

[Mike NXP]

So I was rear ended at a stop light by a Subaru doing about 70mph who never touched the brakes. Very long story short now I suspect my Panhard Bar and frame are tweaked ( along with a lot of body damage) Unfortunately I have nothing to compare to, so before I go crawling under someone cruiser in the parking lot I figured I would post.

The " mechanics " at Toyota seem to have over looked this issue even though I pointed it out.

So anyway, does anyone have a 100 series , stock, that you can send some pics of showing the rear axle and above section of cross frame? The panhard bar is definitely bowing, less then an inch from touch the diff , but it also appears the frame above it and the mount for bar have twisted.

Will get some pics up soon

 

[FxFormat]

70mph? They gotta be seriously hurt, glad you are okay. I definitely wouldn’t want to drive a car after someone hit me going that fast, push to get it totaled.

 

[Mike NXP]

70mph? They gotta be seriously hurt, glad you are okay. I definitely wouldn’t want to drive a car after someone hit me going that fast, push to get it totaled.

Well the check they tried giving me for total loss was less then what I still owe on my LC. Not to mention the money I have been dumping into it to maintain it. So I pushed to get it repaired.

Subaru was totaled , engine pushed back. Somehow the girl driving got out un-harmed and said "whoops I fell asleep "

Land cruiser took a big hit but I am currently driving it, waiting for the body shop to fix the other BS.

Toyota fixed tail pipe and neglected to look any deeper into this. So I am sitting under it today staring at everything and started to realize all these issue. Hope to get some photos to compare from others

 

[sacmaster]

Did you already get the insurance check? Did you deal with her insurance company or yours? What year/mileage is your Cruiser? You may want to look into hiring a lawyer if the insurance company isn't making you whole.

 

[Mike NXP]

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Did you already get the insurance check? Did you deal with her insurance company or yours? What year/mileage is your Cruiser? You may want to look into hiring a lawyer if the insurance company isn't making you whole.

Lawyer has been hired. Their insurance company finally took liability took 2 months. So in the mean time my insurance company coughed up a check for a little over 8k which barley covers body and mechanical damage.

Cruiser is an 02 with 155k , no rust and great shape. Need to put her back together so she lives to ride another day.

May not be the best pics but check out below.

 

[Mike NXP]

They loaded in a mixed up order but the first image is bump stop/ rubber on the left side which did not take the hit, the final image is comparing it to the right side.

Any normal person would drive it and not notice any issues , but we aren't normal. Something doesn't feel right and when the rear end dips down and springs back it doesn't sound good.

Suppose it could be worse.

 

[sacmaster]

Your truck is definitely worth more than 8k. Hopefully the lawyer will help you out.

 

[2001LC]

You've some bent parts. But only way to know on frame is to take to Body & Frame shop. Find one that pulls frames and they can measure it. If only bracket that hold upper stabilizer bar it can be fixed.

Chances are the rear most crossmember is bent. You can see part of it in my last two pictures

 

[sdnative]

I'm not seeing 70mph worth of damage unless almost all of the deceleration forces went into the Subaru. I wouldn't settle unless they give you what it's worth. Pull a few comps and send them over.

 

[Mike NXP]

You've some bent parts. But only way to know on frame is to take to Body & Frame shop. Find one that pulls frames and they can measure it. If only bracket that hold upper stabilizer bar it can be fixed.
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Chances are the rear most crossmember is bent. You can see part of it in my last two pictures

I appreciate those picture , that is what I needed !

Maybe 70 was a bit over kill ? We were on a Montana Highway road everyone is cruising at at least 60. My spare tire i assume soaked up alot of the hit.

>> So that panhard bar is definitely bent on mine, and the right side that mounts to the frame is tweaked for sure. The rear cross member in for sure smashed in with the tailgate also, all of that stuff is pretty straight forward and is already schedules for repair.

Was doing some speed bump test today, when the rear end dips and springs back I get this terrible crunchy noise now.

Hopefully if that panhard bar gets fixed it will cure some issues, along with all the other damage. I took all of the tire carrier hardware off.

Lesson learned, buy big ass bumpers its cheaper then dealing with this crap or hitting a deer

Thanks everyone

 

[leveeguy]

Well the check they tried giving me for total loss was less then what I still owe on my LC. Not to mention the money I have been dumping into it to maintain it. So I pushed to get it repaired.

Subaru was totaled , engine pushed back. Somehow the girl driving got out un-harmed and said "whoops I fell asleep "

Land cruiser took a big hit but I am currently driving it, waiting for the body shop to fix the other BS.

Toyota fixed tail pipe and neglected to look any deeper into this. So I am sitting under it today staring at everything and started to realize all these issue. Hope to get some photos to compare from others

They only fixed the tailpipe?

If you're driving the LC, why not take it out on the highway to see if the frame is bent..

 

[suprarx7nut]

Same Mike that Kyle and I have messaged with lately? If not, crazy coincidence!

Let me know if you need more pics. I've got a lift in the garage and can play musical cars to get the Cruiser in the air if you need more reference shots.

Also, you may want to invest in the Toyota Body repair manual. It should have all the critical frame dimensions in it. It'd be a relatively cheap way for you to verify what is and isn't out of place - well beyond what you could gather from pictures over the interwebs.

This is the only link I can find right now, but normally they're around for less... 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser Collision Service Repair Manual | eBay

 

[Mike NXP]

They only fixed the tailpipe?

If you're driving the LC, why not take it out on the highway to see if the frame is bent..

Toyota did the tail pipe and a heater t core broke loose so they fixed that coolant leak..body shop has me scheduled to fix cross member , tail gate , light , etc .

Head back to Toyota next Saturday to figure out the panhard bar issue taken care of .

Had the cruiser at highway speed today and felt fine so I guess that's a good sign .

 

[Mike NXP]

Same Mike that Kyle and I have messaged with lately? If not, crazy coincidence!

Let me know if you need more pics. I've got a lift in the garage and can play musical cars to get the Cruiser in the air if you need more reference shots.

Also, you may want to invest in the Toyota Body repair manual. It should have all the critical frame dimensions in it. It'd be a relatively cheap way for you to verify what is and isn't out of place - well beyond what you could gather from pictures over the interwebs.

This is the only link I can find right now, but normally they're around for less... 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser Collision Service Repair Manual | eBay

Haha yeah man that's me , can't wait to get the platform after all this s*** is done .

The previous pics definitely helped alot and now I'm just concerned with the frame that runs above the pan hard bar .it seems like it may be twisted but possibly normal ? Either way I don't think it's catastrophic ..pics helped me determine that bar is messed up for sure...what a head ache

Thanks for everyone's help

 

[suprarx7nut]

Haha yeah man that's me , can't wait to get the platform after all this s*** is done .

The previous pics definitely helped alot and now I'm just concerned with the frame that runs above the pan hard bar .it seems like it may be twisted but possibly normal ? Either way I don't think it's catastrophic ..pics helped me determine that bar is messed up for sure...what a head ache

Thanks for everyone's help

Headache indeed. Ugh. A good body shop should be using that manual as a guide, though. In theory, that'll guide you towards success here, but holy cow what a pain to chase after resolution.

On the flip side, you've got many aftermarket options with some adjust-ability that are the same price as OEM on those suspension arms. Maybe you can swing the wreck into an excuse to cheaply upgrade the suspension!

Let me know if you need any measurements. Happy to help how I can.

 

[whitenoise]

It seems as if the spare tire hit the panhard and bent it, you can clearly see tread pattern imprints on the Panhard. The rear crossmember probably took most of the impact. The body got tweaked as you stated and appears to have lifted off the frame, which is why there is body mount gap on the passenger side (if I saw this correctly). I highly doubt the frame is bent, there is still hope. This whole thing sucks, I hope you get it sorted.

 

[Mike NXP]

It seems as if the spare tire hit the panhard and bent it, you can clearly see tread pattern imprints on the Panhard. The rear crossmember probably took most of the impact. The body got tweaked as you stated and appears to have lifted off the frame, which is why there is body mount gap on the passenger side (if I saw this correctly). I highly doubt the frame is bent, there is still hope. This whole thing sucks, I hope you get it sorted.

So what do you make of the gap on that body mount? So the passenger side is almost touching and the driver has the gap.

Yeah man, there is still some hope. She drives okay at highway speed but when the rear end dips down, something back there is not happy, sounds like rubbing or something is stiff. Lets hope we can put her back together again.

Anyway looking on the bright side, its time for a heavy duty rear bumper and tire carrier if this all shakes out right.

Just can't believe Toyota didn't notice this even after I told them.

 

[Mike NXP]

Headache indeed. Ugh. A good body shop should be using that manual as a guide, though. In theory, that'll guide you towards success here, but holy cow what a pain to chase after resolution.

On the flip side, you've got many aftermarket options with some adjust-ability that are the same price as OEM on those suspension arms. Maybe you can swing the wreck into an excuse to cheaply upgrade the suspension!

Let me know if you need any measurements. Happy to help how I can.

Thanks , you all have been a big help. Gotta keep my cruiser alive she is just getting broken in.

Was checking her out this morning, while in park, I can roll her front to back and feel the yoke ( i think , where the drive shaft meets the diff) making this popping . I wonder if that is from the accident or something I just haven't noticed.

Anywayyyy, will keep pressing on. Thanks

 

[Mike NXP]

If anyone is still tuned in, Does the frame component on above the exhaust look tweaked in this pic ?

This part of the frame connects to the panhard bar mount which is also hard to tell if it is bent.

Hard to tell if it is suppose to have that contour to let the exhaust flow through.

I am going to creep around town this weekend for other cruisers in parking lots to crawl under, will see how that goes =\

 

[whitenoise]

That bump above the exhaust pipe is normal as best as I can tell from my photos. The body mount you're talking about is just a sandwich mount to support the load there, it is supposed be slightly pre-loaded (in compression) all the time. I guess it is possible the frame behind the axle is tweaked up a little causing the sandwich mount to uncompress. I'm 100% sure the bent Panhard is causing the suspension to bind.