He answered that a few posts back. They weld to the 1/4 inch brackets that are bolted to the frame in six places and the they weld to the 1/4 inch face of the bumper. Plenty strong If the welds are good.
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He answered that a few posts back. They weld to the 1/4 inch brackets that are bolted to the frame in six places and the they weld to the 1/4 inch face of the bumper. Plenty strong If the welds are good.
Fourrunner
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I am still working with the shop who cuts them for me. They have been really busy lately for some reason. I will call them first thing Monday morning and try to get an update.
....... Did the tire go flying off somewhere?no i don't have any pictures
we had been on some rough terrain that day. the spindle broke on a steep down hill so i was going slow. i heard a noise, stopped the truck went out and the whole thing tire and hi lift just laying in the dirt. it would have been bad on the highway!
I made the bumper myself back in 2001. i must not have secured the swing arm well enough you could see that the crack had some older rust on it.
devo
we had been on some rough terrain that day. the spindle broke on a steep down hill so i was going slow. i heard a noise, stopped the truck went out and the whole thing tire and hi lift just laying in the dirt. it would have been bad on the highway!
I made the bumper myself back in 2001. i must not have secured the swing arm well enough you could see that the crack had some older rust on it.
devo
Hey all......its been 3 weeks and 1 year, anyone get their bumper yet?
Not being a jerk, just trying to see if this is really gunna happen or if it ever happened!
Have we given up?
Should we?
I'm giving up on this. I am getting an SROR bumper in a couple of days. This would be a good opportunity for people if this project got off the ground.
Fourrunner
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I have been working with my lawyer to make sure I protect my personal assets. I don't want to be sued for something. Please understand there is some personal liability involved with this. Even though you might be buying pieces and building it yourself, this doesn't exclude me from being sued. Hopefully you understand. Called the plasma shop last week and they were supposed to get me a quote for cutting them. Takes time to put this together. Hopefully, I will have something definitive by mid to late next week.
Fourrunner has asked me to keep to myself in a PM...........
I will keep to myself now..... Good luck everyone!
I will keep to myself now..... Good luck everyone!
Fourrunner
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Some updates. I got word back from the shop that is cutting the pieces out. The price has gone up a little. Along with this, I am still in the process of setting up a business license and is taking way more time than I though it would. Just to make sure, I still want to confirm I have interest before I spend the money on the business license. Please PM with your contact info so I can know for sure who is interested.
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hey forrunner,
i write this to try to help you understand that you can only be liabale is you choose to be. your lawyer is just getting money off you (maybe to keep you from thinking otherwise). you could include a waiver with your kits to include you from liability from anyone choosing to use materials/design plans provided by you.
this is not legal advise, and for private comunication only
i write this to try to help you understand that you can only be liabale is you choose to be. your lawyer is just getting money off you (maybe to keep you from thinking otherwise). you could include a waiver with your kits to include you from liability from anyone choosing to use materials/design plans provided by you.
this is not legal advise, and for private comunication only
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Well, the more I think about it, the more I think it would be a stretch for anyone to come back on me. Anyone else have an opinion one way or the other? I have drafted a waiver that would be signed by the end user. This is the only hitch in this whole project. One idea I have is to not cut the hole for the receiver like I have on mine. I really feel that that receiver is the area that could get me in trouble. Basically, I would leave it up to the personal assembling the kit on whether or not they want to cut the opening. Would take all of 15-20 minutes to do. I am leaning this way, but wanted to get some feedback. If we are all in agreement, I will call the shop and have them start cutting.
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How about having the shop partly cut it out? Cut the profile, but leave several tabs so that the piece is still in place. Then if someone wants the hitch they can do the final cutting and have the hole and if they do not want it then a simple weld and grind would remove the slots.
By cutting it they take on that responsibility themselves, but have the benefit of the hole being mostly machine cut so that it is not so difficult of a hole to form.
By cutting it they take on that responsibility themselves, but have the benefit of the hole being mostly machine cut so that it is not so difficult of a hole to form.
Well, I will tell you this. I am currently working in CAD to design a rear bumper but I would rather purchase the pieces for your design because it is the best I have seen for my needs.
In business, it is sometimes important to take certain risks and at times you need to "s*** or get off the pot".
You still have me if this happens within the next couple of months.
Also, give me a solid price for pickup.
I'm not in a hurry at this point (I'm in the middle of all kinds of time consuming projects).
In business, it is sometimes important to take certain risks and at times you need to "s*** or get off the pot".
You still have me if this happens within the next couple of months.
Also, give me a solid price for pickup.
I'm not in a hurry at this point (I'm in the middle of all kinds of time consuming projects).
Most of the off road vendors have some sort of disclaimer about products being for off-road use only, and off-roading being inherently dangerous, etc, etc.... It's not something you sign - you agree by buying the product. You could also stress that the receiver is not rated for towing, only rated for bike racks and accessories. ( Slee - 2" Receivers )
Here's Slee's Disclaimer: ( 80 Series Land Cruiser - Front Bumper )
"Disclaimer:
Slee Off-Road stands behind the products we sell and manufacture. However we can not be responsible nor do we accept liability for breakage or failure of parts as a result of rugged off-road use or reckless highway driving. Modification to your vehicle are done at your own risk and Slee Off-Road does not accept liability or responsibility arising from damage caused by installing parts or doing modifications. You should be aware that certain modifications and installation of certain aftermarket parts may under certain circumstances void your original dealer warrantee. Information supplied on this web site and in person should be verified by the user and Slee Off-Road does not accept any responsibility for erroneous information.
Slee Off-Road and Slee & Co will under no circumstances be liable for any damages to the users of this site and/or their equipment as a result of using information obtained from this web site
Modification of your vehicle parts sold by Slee Off-Road may create a dangerous conditions which could cause serious bodily injury, and the buyer hereby expressly assumes all risks associated with any such modifications. Parts sold by Slee Off-Road are for off road use only."
Here's Slee's Disclaimer: ( 80 Series Land Cruiser - Front Bumper )
"Disclaimer:
Slee Off-Road stands behind the products we sell and manufacture. However we can not be responsible nor do we accept liability for breakage or failure of parts as a result of rugged off-road use or reckless highway driving. Modification to your vehicle are done at your own risk and Slee Off-Road does not accept liability or responsibility arising from damage caused by installing parts or doing modifications. You should be aware that certain modifications and installation of certain aftermarket parts may under certain circumstances void your original dealer warrantee. Information supplied on this web site and in person should be verified by the user and Slee Off-Road does not accept any responsibility for erroneous information.
Slee Off-Road and Slee & Co will under no circumstances be liable for any damages to the users of this site and/or their equipment as a result of using information obtained from this web site
Modification of your vehicle parts sold by Slee Off-Road may create a dangerous conditions which could cause serious bodily injury, and the buyer hereby expressly assumes all risks associated with any such modifications. Parts sold by Slee Off-Road are for off road use only."
I would like to see the hole for the receiver already cut in. any type of CNC cutting is going to look alot better than my cutting wheel and grinder, especially on a 2" square. cut in in.
a simple disclaimer by you, and a person agreeing to give you money after reading the disclaimer.... i think that would be enough.
a simple disclaimer by you, and a person agreeing to give you money after reading the disclaimer.... i think that would be enough.
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Any disclaimer you write in the end would be useless if the person suing you can show neglegence on your part. It would be a very, very long stretch for someone to say that their problem is the result of you negligence in the design or production of the parts. It's not like you making running gear that could fail. The thing isn't really involved in the vehicle's operation. The best way to protect yourself, and it's not perfect, is to create some kind of an entity like an LLC or a corporation that makes the bumper parts and sells them. Then that entity shoul have some basic insurace. Then the person suing sues the company and no you and you get a layer of protection. Well, they will sue you but hopefully the judge will remove you from the suit. May not be worth it for a few bumpers.
For what it's worth.
Peter
For what it's worth.
Peter
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Workingdog, that is kinda what I am planning on doing. The problem is that an LLC takes time and money. Along with owning a small business comes taxes and all the lovely things the government makes you go through to put it together. I have been reading horror stories about LLC and the fact that most lawyers can "pierce the veil" and get to the owner. Again, I think it is hard for me to be considered negligent in this case, especially if I delete the receiver cut out.
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Bumper
OK...I have talked to the shop and they are in the process of cutting 5 kits out. I have decided to remove the receiver hitch portion to ease my mind. Like I had mentioned in earlier posts, this is really my only concern with the bumper. If you really want one, and you are assembling this bumper, you will know how to cut the hole for the tube. Please send me a PM and let me know who is interested. Include your email address so we can communicate via email. The last list I had for those that were for sure still in was:
Slowerthanu
MoGas
4Lux
ElliotB
82FJ60bigblue
jfnall
OK...I have talked to the shop and they are in the process of cutting 5 kits out. I have decided to remove the receiver hitch portion to ease my mind. Like I had mentioned in earlier posts, this is really my only concern with the bumper. If you really want one, and you are assembling this bumper, you will know how to cut the hole for the tube. Please send me a PM and let me know who is interested. Include your email address so we can communicate via email. The last list I had for those that were for sure still in was:
Slowerthanu
MoGas
4Lux
ElliotB
82FJ60bigblue
jfnall
Can you give an update on the prices for the kit please. Thanks.
