Real Time help Needed! Glow Plug tip in Cylinder Head

[lostmarbles]

Well done Rummat81!

Great thinking. (I think some of the suggestions would have had dire consequences if you had followed them.)

 

[VTCDN]

Ya the Arc welder sent me cringing !!!!

Good job also ...

VT

 

[crushers]

such as?

(I think some of the suggestions would have had dire consequences if you had followed them.)

 

[lostmarbles]

such as?

.... both times i've had the engine running and have worked the stuck glow plug back and forth with a long tool to force it out. watch out if it flies.....(

....if it does fall inside it will be crushed into powder so no worries there.

a ballsy repair.. but you are in need of a ballsy solution..

Remember Operation..

Insulate the walls if you can with a plastic sheet or something..

place an 1/8 arc rod down there.. ( note the welder is still off right now !! )

attach the rod to the welding clamp.. and the ground..

go over the the unit.. and turn it on then off very quickly..

and weld the rod to it.. then pull with all your might..

crazy times call for crazy solutions..

Start the engine, let it idle. Get in there with some pliers and poke, wiggle, shake... it'll come out. Make sure your eye is not inline with it when it does :HFFOOOOM!!!::

Are you just prodding me into this with the aim of creating an entertaining dispute Wayne? (Or of getting me offside with my friends?)

I don't have a problem with the "engine running technique" itself but I think you should be well away from the hole when performing it (and not trying to wiggle the remnants of the glowplug out ...even if you are wearing goggles or whatever)! ..... Too much risk of injury IMO.

And I think having a piston crush the tip if a glowplug to powder runs the risk of "engine damage". So I think attention should be focused on avoiding the tip falling in (rather than being blase about it).

And using a welding rod! Well! You'll damage threads for sure as well as blowing damaging debris into the cylinder. (Intentional vandalism?)

Satisfied?

 

[crushers]

good natured debate
NOT (of getting me offside with my friends?) ((if that means what i think it means))

the idea of getting it out first is best.
the idea of pushing it in an having the piston crush it into dust works (i know, the first time it happened i s*** bricks but then a long time diesel buddy of mine came over, reached into the cab and cranked over the engine, "done" he said.)
the idea of having the engine crank over while playing with plyers is nuts in my book.
the idea of cranking over the engine to push it out works well but make sure nobody is near the engine bay or in line with it. usually it just pops out and drops right away but i have heard of them taking off.

each to their own, i have heard of guys pulling the head to remove the broken piece of the glow plug.. lot of work, expense and time. for nothing.

cheers and peace

 

[PERUVIAN]

Hey.. I will say one things and let this go..

I feel a bit sorry for all your ¨civilized guys¨who have to abide by all these rules that contemporary mechanical society has imposed on you.. I actually find myself a better mechanic and more resourceful since I moved to PERU 8 years ago for work ( Aviation Inspector and Mechanic ) -- I know that the welding in the head to try to pull the glow plug may have been a stretch.. but there were alot of crazy ideas tossed out there.. and I had no idea of the users mechanical aptitude..

BUT I will say that I have seen various times now here where a bolt or stud broken down in a hole was removed by painstakingly and slowly ( hours ) built back up to where a nut cold be welded to the top.. and then turned out.. crankshafts.. transmission output shafts.. etc.. etc.. In a continent without easy-outs or broken bolt extractors at every walmart.. I think that the alot of people here with a few mere handtools - could rival alot of SAE master mechanics..

I am super glad the piece came out without any damage.. and I AM SUPER STOKED it came out with a deck screw.. Impressive.. I am going to remember that one for sure-

With ideas like that Rummat81 has a good future down here if he ever has to flee the law!

 

[lostmarbles]

...I think some of the suggestions would have had dire consequences if you had followed them.....

I wrote this because I feared that others "down the track" could blindly follow some of the advice (without full knowledge of the possible dangers/consequences).

So I wanted to leave a clear warning that following some advice in this thread could easily make matters worse.

And I knew that by typing those words .. I may appear to be putting myself above other advice-givers. But while I didn't want to give that impression ... I still felt compelled to issue the warning.

(If anyone were to search all the stuff I've written ... I'm sure they could find a number of examples of real "poor advice"! )

....I feel a bit sorry for all your ¨civilized guys¨who have to abide by all these rules that contemporary mechanical society has imposed on you.. I actually find myself a better mechanic and more resourceful since I moved to PERU 8 years ago for work ( Aviation Inspector and Mechanic ) -- I know that the welding in the head to try to pull the glow plug may have been a stretch.. but there were alot of crazy ideas tossed out there.. and I had no idea of the users mechanical aptitude..

BUT I will say that I have seen various times now here where a bolt or stud broken down in a hole was removed by painstakingly and slowly ( hours ) built back up to where a nut cold be welded to the top.. and then turned out.. crankshafts.. transmission output shafts.. etc.. etc.. In a continent without easy-outs or broken bolt extractors at every walmart.. I think that the alot of people here with a few mere handtools - could rival alot of SAE master mechanics..

I am super glad the piece came out without any damage.. and I AM SUPER STOKED it came out with a deck screw.. Impressive.. I am going to remember that one for sure-

With ideas like that Rummat81 has a good future down here if he ever has to flee the law!

Crikey! My username is "lostmarbles" and I love unconventional solutions. And we all know New Zealand has more sheep than people so how can it be civilised?

I didn't want to offend anyone (but I accept that if we swapped places ... I would likely have felt I was being slurred).

I saw that you advised putting the rod right into the remnants of the glowplug tip and then flicking the welder switch BRIEFLY so it was clear to me that you knew full well what the risks were.

However my fear is that such "finer points" could be lost on some keen inexperienced do-it-yourselfers (who could even - for example - be using a big welder set on maximum amps).

good natured debate
NOT (of getting me offside with my friends?) ((if that means what i think it means))

the idea of getting it out first is best.
the idea of pushing it in an having the piston crush it into dust works (i know, the first time it happened i s*** bricks but then a long time diesel buddy of mine came over, reached into the cab and cranked over the engine, "done" he said.)
the idea of having the engine crank over while playing with plyers is nuts in my book.
the idea of cranking over the engine to push it out works well but make sure nobody is near the engine bay or in line with it. usually it just pops out and drops right away but i have heard of them taking off.

each to their own, i have heard of guys pulling the head to remove the broken piece of the glow plug.. lot of work, expense and time. for nothing.

cheers and peace

Nah. Wayne's not civilised either. Nor's Drew/Amaurer for that matter (who I've seen recommend using a BFH for some repairs).

BTW ....I first came across the BFH acronym on MUD and it took me a while to work out what it stood for. It isn't really used much in New Zealand.

Hey. For anyone else compromised by their sheltered location, see if you can work it out from this list:





I'm happy now because I think this thread has everything in perspective (for anyone stumbling on it in the future).



PS. And Rummat81 has proven to be probably better than any of us at assessing risk and coming up with his own ingenious solutions.

 

[PERUVIAN]

I love it.. ¨bus fare home¨ .. for those of us who have owned mid 90´s fuel injected volkswagons..

 

[amaurer]

Nor's Drew/Amaurer for that matter (who I've seen recommend using a BFH for some repairs).

Some repairs??? ALL repairs!!!!!

 

[doug720]

Nice job! Glad it worked...Literally!

 

[Canarias]

the idea of pushing it in an having the piston crush it into dust works (i know, the first time it happened i s*** bricks but then a long time diesel buddy of mine came over, reached into the cab and cranked over the engine, "done" he said.)

Even tho the "dust" then goes thru the turbo turbine?

 

[KlickitatPhil]

Glad to find this thread! I had the tip of a cheap Taiwanese glow plug get stuck in the hole today on my '86 HJ60. I first tried cranking the engine with no busbar, but it didn't budge and the engine was too cold to make any noise without glow. Tried again with the busbar installed and the engine fired, glow plug tip came flying out and lodged itself in the busbar!

Having learned my lesson on cheap glow plugs, I ordered a set of NGK 2188 Y-197R plugs. The Taiwanese ones I bought from SOR.com were complete crap and were worse than the Toyota ones they were meant to replace.

 

[Freewheel]

Yep, blowing plugs out with engine compression can work well. (I actually had to rev my engine, and the plug end came out like a bullet- I "steered" it around my busbar with a piece of pipe and shot it into a thick piece of plywood)) And it's not just cheap ones it can happen to, if they fail due to overheating. (I had a stuck relay) Mine were OEM Toyota plugs.