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Wow....that is some serious carnage. Unfortunately that kind of stuff is likely with an improper/overdue bearing job. Hope you get it fixed and back on the road quickly
 
Does this have anything to do with not greasing the spindle with the grease tool thingy?
 
Lucky the fan broke!

Might as well see if the yard will throw the front drive shafts in the deal.
 
Since he just had that CV axle replaced, I'd say major mechanic error, over tourque, caused bearing to fail and then domino'd everything else. That's two mechanics now that have failed. Glad he finally found a good one... albeit 1000 miles from home LOL.

Actually I think he had the heater tee's replaced as well after he bought it so make that 3 mechanics.

Doh!!
 
lt1fire said:
Since he just had that CV axle replaced, I'd say major mechanic error, over tourque, caused bearing to fail and then domino'd everything else. That's two mechanics now that have failed. Glad he finally found a good one... albeit 1000 miles from home LOL.

Actually I think he had the heater tee's replaced as well after he bought it so make that 3 mechanics.

Doh!!
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No way the wheel bearings were over tighten if FSM procedure followed (not likely even if not), our wheel bearings love to run very tight. It's not likely the bearings were touched during a front drive shaft replacement, other than the snap ring.
TheForger said:
Wow....that is some serious carnage. Unfortunately that kind of stuff is likely with an improper/overdue bearing job. Hope you get it fixed and back on the road quickly
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I agree!

Can't see clearly in the picture, but snap ring groove looks toasted.
fj55-100 said:
well according to cruiser karma .and if i heard him correct , he was/is a vet . put that with his mud membership . and his labor bill with me is 1.00 $ .
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That is so nice of you. Was a time when us Vets were not treated well, just the opposite in fact.
 
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Finally just got on a computer and checked out those photos.

I specifically asked Toyota of New Bern to check the fan bracket, they assured me that nothing was wrong with it and I was fine to drive cross country. The dealership replaced a few pulleys that were making noise and missed the A/C compressor pulley making a lot of noise and the fan shroud falling apart.
A local shop replaced both CV Axles. I asked them to check the bearings while replacing the axles and was told they were fine. Not sure if they did or not.
My plan is to call Toyota and rip them a new one, the local shop is run by a family friend and I will notify him of what happened and go from there.

@fj55-100 I'm glad the commander and chief took me to you instead of the clowns at Toyota. Thank you for everything!! it's nice to know that there are still good honest quality people out there. I will be in touch today.
 
Interesting I don't see signs of grease in "picture" of wheel hub:hmm:

So when (miles ago) and where was last time wheel bearings & axle bearings & bushing serviced? I'm not asking about when CV done.

Also did "local shop" replace hub flange snap rings, along with the CV (FDS) replacements?
And ask them what was breakaway preload when they checked wheel bearings reporting "fine", and the final snap ring to hub flange gap?
 
fj55-100 said:
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This image of the spindle damaged, bent inward from being hammered. Where did that occur? And the damage to the claw washer?

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Looks like we are seeing the outer race and back parts of outer bearing. That bearings blew apart and jammed up everything. Again, "looks like". We don't know how much damage is from disassembly. Edited; now we know.

I've seen plenty of loose wheel bearings, locking rings not used properly and wide snap ring gap. This creates a GREAT DEAL of chatter/vibration which creates heat. But I've never seen them fuse, that takes a great deal of heat. Steering wheel and vibration in floor board must have been present. Sound made must have been an awful sound as well. Rocking out to loud musical trucking down the road perhaps and missed the signs!
 
fj55-100 said:
all visible damage seen in pic was caused by BFH , as the nuts-bearing race - washer- and axle shaft are welded solid .
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So is the axle toast?
 
2001LC said:
No way the wheel bearings were over tighten, our wheel bearings love to run very tight.
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Need to correct this before folks start cranking down their spindle nuts. There's a reason there's the whole "fish scale" check and process of tightening/loosening. You definitely can overtighten the bearings. Factor in a shop that doesn't know this process and torques them down hard, add in no grease as it appears, you've got a recipe for what we see.

Good on you for helping a fellow Mudder out fj, that looked like a real mess to pull apart.
 
Trunk Monkey said:
Need to correct this before folks start cranking down their spindle nuts. There's a reason there's the whole "fish scale" check and process of tightening/loosening. You definitely can overtighten the bearings. Factor in a shop that doesn't know this process and torques them down hard, add in no grease as it appears, you've got a recipe for what we see.

Good on you for helping a fellow Mudder out fj, that looked like a real mess to pull apart.
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You're correct it would be possible if not following factory procedure.

I can say this however; I've hit 72ft-lbf of torque on adjusting nut to reach a 10.5lb breakaway preload on spring pull scale. Bearings were just fine, and that is a lot of torque not easy to reach without socket slipping of nut. The only concern I have with that amount of torque is on threads of spindle & adjusting nut. Bearings love it!

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because i cant sleep at night , here is the drivers side ,, not even a hint of grease/lube on the bearings and none in the hub View attachment 1590239 View attachment 1590240
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They forgot to pack hub 2/3 full of grease, explains it.
 
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Trunk Monkey said:
Need to correct this before folks start cranking down their spindle nuts. There's a reason there's the whole "fish scale" check and process of tightening/loosening. You definitely can overtighten the bearings. Factor in a shop that doesn't know this process and torques them down hard, add in no grease as it appears, you've got a recipe for what we see.

Good on you for helping a fellow Mudder out fj, that looked like a real mess to pull apart.
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exactly my thoughts i've seen fused bearings from over tightening before

not on a 100 as i'm new to the 100 world but on other 4x4's ive seen it a bit.
 
Amazing, is how good condition of bearings and races look in "picture", considering they ran near dry. These are incredible bearings.
 
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