Potential cause of poor mileage for FJ80?

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I know the FJ80 is a beast that gets bad mileage, but what are the reasons for this? For the H3, which weighs the same, it gets according to wikipedia approximately 13 in the city and 18 on the highway for the automatic. If you were to replace the engine in the FJ80 with that of a tacoma, shouldn't it get better mileage?

Does anyone happen know what vehicle of this weight gets the best mileage? Has anyone upgraded the engine in this vehicle with a more modern one?
 
You will never get "good" gas mileage out of an fj80 ... even if you would do a motor swap unless it was INCREDIBLY cheap you would not get your moneys worth out of it. Because you would need to look at the cost of the swap vs the cost of gas vs the gas mileage of 3fe vs gas mileage of "more modern motor"

Also the H3 is a piece its an over priced Tahoe with a funny looking body and independent suspension.

Just live with your "bad gas mileage" or if you really can't get over it I'l buy it I could use another 80 in my garage.

Not trying to be obnoxious just get tired of all the posts about "bad gas mileage" in an 80
 
Bad in an 80 is 9. I am happy getting 13 (my latest highway trip I averaged 12.7.
 
11 - 12 is pretty much my standard.

but I carry a lot of crap and always have my RTT up there resisting the wind.

it is what it is.

the 80 is no commuter.
 
You will never get "good" gas mileage out of an fj80 ... even if you would do a motor swap unless it was INCREDIBLY cheap you would not get your moneys worth out of it. Because you would need to look at the cost of the swap vs the cost of gas vs the gas mileage of 3fe vs gas mileage of "more modern motor"

Also the H3 is a piece its an over priced Tahoe with a funny looking body and independent suspension.

Just live with your "bad gas mileage" or if you really can't get over it I'l buy it I could use another 80 in my garage.

Not trying to be obnoxious just get tired of all the posts about "bad gas mileage" in an 80
I'm not saying the H3 is any good, I'm just pointing out that for a vehicle of similar weight, it gets better mileage. Also if you look at the FJ100 (correct nomenclature?) it gets better mileage than the FJ 80 and it weighs 5200lbs! Also don't forget guys, I have the FJ80 from '91 so doing a motor swap would be much more worthwhile than doing it on an FJ80 from '96 for example.

The 91' gets worse mileage than the 93'+ right?
 
I was getting 9 this time last year. The prime suspect turned out to be bad grounds.

I also ended up replacing the AFM but that was the last thing I did and that just got rid of a sporadic cel and did not actually improve the mpg.
 
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I'm not saying the H3 is any good, I'm just pointing out that for a vehicle of similar weight, it gets better mileage. Also if you look at the FJ100 (correct nomenclature?) it gets better mileage than the FJ 80 and it weighs 5200lbs! Also don't forget guys, I have the FJ80 from '91 so doing a motor swap would be much more worthwhile than doing it on an FJ80 from '96 for example.

The 91' gets worse mileage than the 93'+ right?


I have a 91' as well and the h3 has an 3.7L i5 which, having driven one I would say has even less power than my 91 4L i6... although standard it supposedly puts out more torque and hp but I beg to differ

The gas mileage thing also has allot to do with the fact that the h3 is newer and as more "modern" things come along they find ways to tweak out as much mpg as possible
 
I have a 91' as well and the h3 has an 3.7L i5 which, having driven one I would say has even less power than my 91 4L i6... although standard it supposedly puts out more torque and hp but I beg to differ

The gas mileage thing also has allot to do with the fact that the h3 is newer and as more "modern" things come along they find ways to tweak out as much mpg as possible
Maybe the H3 has less low end power than the '91 FJ80. I was thinking that taking a engine and putting it into the FJ80 should yeild a lot better mileage than it currently gets. I'm also wondering what other things are different that could cause the FJ80 to get worse mileage than other similarly weighed vehicles. Are there dyno charts of this vehicle (both engines) from idle all the way to 5K rpm?
 
I know the FJ80 is a beast that gets bad mileage, but what are the reasons for this? For the H3, which weighs the same, it gets according to wikipedia approximately 13 in the city and 18 on the highway for the automatic. If you were to replace the engine in the FJ80 with that of a tacoma, shouldn't it get better mileage?

Does anyone happen know what vehicle of this weight gets the best mileage? Has anyone upgraded the engine in this vehicle with a more modern one?

An H3 is a much newer vehicle.... built during the current fuel hike so that was a priority when designed... with gas at 1.10 or what ever it was back then it wasn't a priority.
 
Considering my 80 is; 14 year old technology, fulltime 4x4, running 285 muds, lifted, and weighs 6000lbs. with the ARB bumper, Slee step sliders, skid plates and all my other essential crap, Iam happy with the 13+ city and 16+ highway mpg that I get. Just for comparison, I also have a 2005 quad-cab Silverado that I only have in 4wd when needed, is newer technology and also weighs 6000lbs. that only gets 14 city and 18 highway. For what they are I do not think the 80 series mileage is bad when compared to anything that is "comparable". YMMV. Scott
 
carbon buildup on 02 sensors, low compression, choked head, clogged/leaking injectors...

Ti rods, dry sump, better designed head and quench area and higher compression pistons to match, aftermarket "tailorable" ECU, synthetic fluids, 6 speed, narrower tires.... then "maybe" the mileage would improve... My avg is 15mpg, stock cruiser 125k miles and the above mentioned mods aren't cheap... which is why I have a TDI VW and a sportbike which both avg 40mpg.
 
I'll throw in my 2 cents..

The 3FE is a low-HP motor for the truck. Low HP trying to push a lot of weight means the engine has to work harder. Harder working engine = more gas used = bad gas mileage.

Put a higher HP motor in the 80 and you will get somewhat better mileage. Of course, other things factor in as well, like max torque/HP at certain RPMs.

Diesels get good gas mileage (usually) because the max torque is at such a low RPM; so, the engine doesn't have to work as hard.

HTH
 
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I think the reason for the worse mileage with the 3FE is mostly due to the engine being a very old design that is fairly inefficient with fuel, but extremely over designed and over built for durability, which was it’s primary design parameters.

The 1FZ was specificly designed to be a direct replacement of the 3FE, meeting all the same design parameters, including longevity, simplicity, low end torque bias, but primarily making more power, with weight reduction if possible. It even had to be nearly the exact same size as the 3FE, in terms of overall dimensions. Improving fuel economy was a plus, but back in the late 1980s, when fuel was still cheap, it was not a major priority.

The primary vehicle for the 1FZ was the same as the 3F/3FE, the 70 series Land Cruiser and the 80 series. Most of these vehicles were sold as commercial vehicles, used in harsh conditions in 3rd world countries.

So, the requirements for both of those engines are far different than an engine designed for and destined for the U.S. market, much less one that was designed today.

Here's my 1FZ page, with a few more details.

ExpeditionLandCruiserFZJ80engine

I'm sure if you put the 1FZ or 3FE into a lighter vehicle, mileage will improve somewhat, but both are fairly large displacement engines, especially the 1FZ at 4.5 liters, so its going to drink gas no matter what. There are large displacment engines today that can get much better gas mileage by using technology that reduces the displacement of the engine and the required fuel at highway speeds when the power is not needed, effectively making the engine run like it was a smaller engine.

What you get instead of fuel economy with the 3FE and 1FZ are engines that will run in any part of the world, under nearly any conditions, drink nearly any 3rd world fuel, and run for nearly half a million miles and several decades or longer of very hard use. That's specificly what they were designed for. the 3FE and 1FZ were not designed specificly for the U.S. market like engines we see today are.

When Toyota came out with the 2UZ, it was primarily designed for the North American market for use in the new North American exclusive full size Toyota truck and SUVs. The design parameters were far different. Now, fuel economy and over all power was the primary concern, along with general Toyota reliability and longevity. the 2UZ found itself in the Land Cruiser 100, because it too evolved into less of a commercial vehicle and more of a luxery SUV in all markets. But the 1FZ was retained for use in the 70 series and even the 100 series versions that were primarily sold as commercial vehicles and is still in production today for certain models.
 
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One if I were to replace the engine in my FJ80, would I want to get the 1FZ from 1996 with the ECU or look for the very latest 1FZ possibily from abroad? Maybe I'm approaching this all wrong and I should actually look at any kind of replacement engine. I liked your page but it has quite a few of grammar or spelling errors that I think you should address and from what you said, it seems like we're dealing with a 50 year old engine!
 
A diesel swap (1HD-T) will get you 18MPG.

Landcrusher80
 
I wouldn't waste my time putting money into any swap with another gasser... Diesel is the way! But then like one said on here you really need to weigh the costs of how much fuel you can dump into it before you could ever pay for a swap. The diesel gives you options, you could run biodiesel or WVO, with gas you have one choice... getting bent over at the pump by the ultra-rich tyrants that seem to rule our nation. If it were up to me, every one of my rigs would be diesel, because they are the greatest engines ever built IMO. Tons of torque, twice the fuel mileage of gasoline engines, and they got some rumble... just the sound of a turbo diesel make me pop a rod, but I got diesel in my blood and 90 weight oil in my brain!
 
I wouldn't waste my time putting money into any swap with another gasser... Diesel is the way! But then like one said on here you really need to weigh the costs of how much fuel you can dump into it before you could ever pay for a swap. The diesel gives you options, you could run biodiesel or WVO, with gas you have one choice... getting bent over at the pump by the ultra-rich tyrants that seem to rule our nation. If it were up to me, every one of my rigs would be diesel, because they are the greatest engines ever built IMO. Tons of torque, twice the fuel mileage of gasoline engines, and they got some rumble... just the sound of a turbo diesel make me pop a rod, but I got diesel in my blood and 90 weight oil in my brain!
The problem is, I know very little about diesels and not to mention I don't know if this would be smoggable. I want it to run very clean so if this is a possibility then I'd seriously consider a diesel and that would seemingly make the most sense.

How about this one, think this would work? :D
Toyota VD engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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What do you use the FJ80 for? If you have an FJCruiser, I would assume that's your daily driver and should make plenty of power and get good economy for daily use.

If you use the FJ80 for mostly off road use, I probably wouldn't mess with it all, except to keep it tuned up and running in good condition. You have a very bulletproof motor that will last forever and since you don't need maximum power off road, it should do the job. For an off roader, regearing would probably be more benefical, easier and more economical, than doing an engine swap if you need more power for things like climbing, for example.

If you're using the FJ80 for long road trips and you have it loaded down, I can see why you might want more power.

If you go with a 1FZ, you'd want to make sure the headgasket and heater hoses were replaced, especially on a higher mileage engine, or be prepared to have to deal with those issues at some point.

Personally I'd buy an all new rig before I did an engine swap from a 3FE to a 1FZ. The newer rigs have other advantages, such as full floating rear axle, larger brakes, ABS (if you wanted that), Airbags (if you want that too) and other features, plus you stand a chance of finding one with lockers. The prices are coming down on the FZJ80s, because of fuel prices and their age and a lot of people haven't figure out what awesome off road rigs they are.

It really depends on what you want to do. Who knows, a V-8 powered Land Cruiser 100 might also suit your needs better as you'd have lots more power and slightly better gas mileage.
 
What do you use the FJ80 for? If you have an FJCruiser, I would assume that's your daily driver and should make plenty of power and get good economy for daily use.

If you use the FJ80 for mostly off road use, I probably wouldn't mess with it all, except to keep it tuned up and running in good condition. You have a very bulletproof motor that will last forever and since you don't need maximum power off road, it should do the job. For an off roader, regearing would probably be more benefical, easier and more economical, than doing an engine swap if you need more power for things like climbing, for example.

If you're using the FJ80 for long road trips and you have it loaded down, I can see why you might want more power.

If you go with a 1FZ, you'd want to make sure the headgasket and heater hoses were replaced, especially on a higher mileage engine, or be prepared to have to deal with those issues at some point.

Personally I'd buy an all new rig before I did an engine swap from a 3FE to a 1FZ. The newer rigs have other advantages, such as full floating rear axle, larger brakes, ABS (if you wanted that), Airbags (if you want that too) and other features, plus you stand a chance of finding one with lockers. The prices are coming down on the FZJ80s, because of fuel prices and their age and a lot of people haven't figure out what awesome off road rigs they are.

It really depends on what you want to do. Who knows, a V-8 powered Land Cruiser 100 might also suit your needs better as you'd have lots more power and slightly better gas mileage.

It's a toy, I just want to get more out of an old vehicle, I would like to go on long trips with this and getting more power out of it is really needed, at the same time mileage is poor and so swapping out the engine is needed I think.
 

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