Pics of intercooler set up in 1HDT?, Auto tranny strength? Tuning advice?

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interesting...
6 ft of piping plust the distance of the interooler plumbing and you are looking at roughly 8 ft os 8/10ths of a second lag according to your figures...
that is quite a bit...
 
Wayne did the customer notice any improvement in performance? With some of the 4BTs people have reported some loss of performance when using one.. But this is not always the case...
 
I guess I should have anticipated this but now I'm discouraged.

How about, "does anyone with an intercooler on a 1HD-T feel that they made worthwhile gains with minimal sacrifices?" If so, I'm going to want to get some info on duct diameters, lengths, and IC size. If not, I'm going to do some more research and a hack-job!
 
the truck is sitting right here if anyone wants to go for a spin...

IF the intercooler is mapped for the engine and your driving style then you will appreciate the work, if it isn't then it is just damn lucky if it works out properly...

i know the PZ responded extremely well to the intercooler.

i know Clarences intercooled 81 performs quite well...

so... does it help? do your homework and yes it wil

go to a junk yard and grab an intercooler "cause it looks right" and you might be disappointed...

cheers
 
this is very interesting reading!
i understand how too much length on air piping could create lag, and how a larger capacity IC or larger diameter air pipe would also increase lag.
But other than the lag factor i dont understand how a larger IC could have a negative effect on power.
Is there a formula or general consensus on IC sizes and what are the factors for optimal performance?

I am debating a top mounted IC for my 3B and am curious about what size IC would be best, I would like to mount it over the engine with a hood scoop that maybe has some sort of rubber to seal against the IC to keep all the airflow going through the IC and not around it.
 
when i was talking to the shop in the US that made my intercooler he was saying it is critical to have the right size of intercooler for a particular engine displacment.
make a few calls and listen to the guys that know their stuff, not the ones that are just trying to sell you something. with this guy i mentioned right up front i might not be buying since i had heard his product is expensive. by the time the conversation was over i didn't really care what the price was, he know his stuff and that is what i was looking for...

cheers
 
wayne i can see how too small of an IC would be a waste of time, and too big could cause lag,(maybe not as much as excessively long piping) but is there another reason why too big of an IC would have a negative effect. It seems to me it would only get the air cooler, if only a c ouple degrees.

I do definately understand why you would want to avoid lengthy IC piping.

One thing i think would affect the "IC mapping" would be the air piping diameter. Because the air is forced after the turbo, the restriction of air due to pipe diameter should not impair performance in the way it would in a normally aspirated motor. So there has to be a "sweet spot" where the pipe size could be small enough to lessen lag but big enough not to cause air flow restriction.
Obviously this would depend on the motor, but if you look at the diameter and capacity of the piping between the turbo and intake manifold on the 1HDT i think this says something about going to big with IC pipe diameters.

Just my thoughts, i dont have a lot of knowledge about this.
 
IC pipes on any engine should never be greater than 2inch ID to the hot side of the cooler and 2.5inch ID from cold side to intake. Anything larger causes turbulence in the flow and actually becomes a restriction. Most intercooler setups tend to run 2inch right the way through, and most performance vehicles run 2.5 inch both sides flaring at the compressor outlet from 1 3/4 inch to 2.5 inch as most compressor outlets are 1 3/4 inch (CT26, TD05, GT series etc).

Crushers, soon as my truck comes back from the engine rebuild (and it's all back together), i'll measure my pipework exactly for you. I'm certain that it's less than 6 foot as it goes from the compressor outlet directly to the front, around the support to the intercooler, back around the support and up a little and striaght in the intake. it doesn't cross the engine like the pictures above as I used a different intercooler selection.

And yeah... i actually do have a lot of experience with intercoolers ;)
 
tell me if this sounds right, if the other performance motors you mention use a CT26 turbo and run 2", then this should be about the right size diameter for a 1HDT because the turbo is about the same size (i think)

But if you are using a IC on a smaller motor i.e. the 3B you should drop the diameter to match the turbo or displacement of the motor. 4.2--> 3.4
So probally IC diameter for this motor would be about 1 3/4" instead of 2.

I really like how wayne mounted the IC on top of the PZ motor (i think?) And as i already have a turbo and the pipe across the top is about 1 3/4 or 2" then i think it would be easy to mount a straight through IC, with a hood scoop to move the air through it. something like this:
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And here is a pic of my motor after i got the turbo in but before i got the proper silicon connectors and piping, and got the air pipe straightened out. To give you an idea of where i am thinking of mounting an IC.
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My K26.6 turbo have 2." inlet ( cold ) and 1.75 outlet ( cold ) then I ran 2" pipe to intercooler inlet 2" and from 1.80 outlet ( intercooler ) ran 2" again to the intake.
 
In a diesel a perfectly mapped/sized intercooler won't make that much of a difference. You might lose about 5KW and maybe 10-15Nm of torque across the range for a -really really- badly sized cooler.

Your pipework should remain 2 inch depending on boost pressure. Anything past 20psi and run it up to 2.5 inch, my sports car runs about 28psi boost, my HZJ75's running 15. Sports car runs 2.5 inch pipework, cruiser runs 2.

Top mounted intercoolers are awesome for highway running and general offroad work as they don't get CLOGGED with mud. For lowspeed stuff you can either put on a hoodscoop that is wider at the mouth than the hole into the engine bay (for a funnel effect) and/or fit a puller fan under the cooler.

Top mount coolers kick arse for diesels :) I ran a frontmount because I already had one and it was much easier for me to fit.
 
i would think the front mounted intercooler would be better for 4x4ing as the rad fan would pull air through it, and a top mounted one would have engine heat radiating up through the intercooler and out the vent if there isnt any air being forced through it. I think a fan could be a neccesity for a trail only rig with hood scoop IC, well at least for slow moving trail rigs.
Anyone with first hand experience, im running on guesses.
 
Pondering the same questions but I already have a 2.75" mandrel bent exhaust and upgraded transmission VB.

I am leaning towards a Liquid to Air IC for packaging and low speed reasons:

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i suppose the liquid to air would be an excellent way of eliminating boost lag, although the cost is something to be cosidered.

Nobody have any input on dimensions of the intercoolers they are running?

Also one other idea that could help if only a little, would be insulating the pipe after the intercooler and before the intake manifold to prevent the heat from the engine bay from heating the intake air. Just a thought.
 
wedge shaped:
10" long end down to 7" short end X 17" long and 2" deep fead by a wedge shaped hood scoop 21" wide at the front and 17" wide at the back of the intercooler opening and 1 3/4" high at the front tapering down to 1" at the back.

HTHs

this is for a 3.5L PZ engine and will work with a 3.4 3B engine...
 

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