Interesting, maybe the 52$ for the TRD is justified..........
PCV inline oil separator..... (2 Viewers)
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Well, I got that TRD catch container and at first I thought it was ridiculously large but now I'm starting to understand why. I also wonder whether it is really something made by or authorized by Toyota; it looks like Japanese tuner market stuff but I cant tell who really makes it. Anyway, might have to take a more serious look at the thing now.
alia176 said:
I wouldn't recycle the oil as there is water, gasses and other things that you may not want back in your motor. When the water,gasses and oil mix, they make other nasty chemicals.
Toyota has a sludge problem on their Sienna van. It is thought that sludge buildup is caused by lack of crank case ventilation. ie; poor PCV system.
The 1FZ has great PCV system.
If the PCV valve gets plugged, there will be some vacuum from PCV hose #2.
I have not heard of any sludge problems on the 80, unless you never changed the oil
no way woudl I plumb this back into the engine, I was expecting it to contain some water, I was not expection so much that I could see it, it also smelled of partialy burnt fuel and was much darker than what was in the pan
RavenTai said:
I agree, if we are talking about a twelth of a quart over 5000 miles, just replace that amount with good oil, if that amount that is caught in the catch along with other consumptions, means the oil eventually gets low. I think its just one of those things that with the smaller catch contraptions you have to purge at all fillups, and with the larger ones you probably just purge at oil changes. Either way, I would consider that oil lost in a good way. JMHO
alia176
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Sorry guys, didn't get to see the TRD separator while the link was alive. Does it look like other ones in EBAY or was it a special looking item? Can this be purchased from our usual outlets for the usual (smart shopper) price?
Thanks.
Ali
Thanks.
Ali
alia176 said:
I saw three of these listed on ebay at the same time some time ago so I got one. I wonder if it is truly a TRD product; it looks like Non-Toyota Japanese aftermarket to me but the TRD logo is engraved into the case and overall the quality looks good. One thing I do not like about it is that it is chromed. One thing I do like about it is that its capacity is probably at least 300ml which would probably be enough to only purge it at oil changes. I do not think it can be purchased where smart shoppers shop but I may be wrong. If I deliberate much more about putting it on my rig, I might just sell it, who knows. I got worked up when I removed the turbo intake hoses and saw some slight residue of oil, turns out after driving the rig several hundred miles since then there is no oil at all in the turbo intake hoses. I would imagine that the residue I saw was what worked its way into those tubes over a long long long time. The turbo was installed at about 76K and I do not think those tubes were cleaned out since then, the rig now has 130K so if it took 54K to build up the slight residue I saw, then I can live with that. Now, I might still put it in the regular place just before the throttle body to catch the oil that goes in there and gums up the butterfly valve and the throttle body ports, who knows.
turbocruiser said:
Did you really get one of those bro?
I want fawking pictures, I really thought long and hard and almost bought one......... post some pics please...............need to see, oh fawk it, probably gonna order one, functionality and bling ............doesn't' make me a princess .................
reffug said:Did you really get one of those bro?
The chromy blingity bling bling is what is worrying me about it actually. I like the functionality just not the look. I think I'm gonna send it Slee's way and have em powdercoat it black to match my sliders, skids, and bumper!!!
IH8Chrome, at least on the trucks, its okay on my classic cars though - the more the merrier!
turbocruiser, yours looks similar to this correct? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7934073673&category=46098
What is inside those? Is it just a chamber? Or is there something else inside to help separate the gas and liquid? Do the inlet and outlet just dump into the changer and that’s it?
Could you pop the top off and take a pic? I wonder if the are more or less effective as the mini water separator?
I am going to run the small one for now and see if I dislike the during-fill-up draining enough to pony up $40-$50 for a larger one
What is inside those? Is it just a chamber? Or is there something else inside to help separate the gas and liquid? Do the inlet and outlet just dump into the changer and that’s it?
Could you pop the top off and take a pic? I wonder if the are more or less effective as the mini water separator?
I am going to run the small one for now and see if I dislike the during-fill-up draining enough to pony up $40-$50 for a larger one
RavenTai said:
Yes that is exactly it, except that mine states "TRD Toyota Racing Development", so, now I know that this thing is not an actual TRD product. I always suspected but now I know. I told reffug that I would try to take the pics tomorrow when I'm with the digital camera so if I can I'll open it up and take a pic of the innards. I still do not like that it is chromed, I really wish it was stainless to match all my safari turbo stuff or, just flat black to match the rest of the engine bay. Anyway, I'll try to take some pics soon.
Any one have an update on how much oil they have collected in there separtor?
I was thinking of making one but I think one could be bought for less than making one.
All the air comp. air dryers I have found have a max temp of about 150f.
THere are many on E-bay http://motors.search.ebay.com/OIL-RESERVOIR-CATCH-TANK_W0QQfromZR8QQsamcmZ6000QQsaspiZ2
Is there another name for this other than a "OIL-RESERVOIR-CATCH-TANK"?
If I made one out of a pipe, I would drill two holes and thread them. Install a fitting for the PCV hoses, put a cap on each end of the pipe and drill a hole in the botton cap and put a drain cock on the cap for draining.
Would I need to put something in the pipe like a divider to, give the oil something to drip off of?
I was thinking of making one but I think one could be bought for less than making one.
All the air comp. air dryers I have found have a max temp of about 150f.
THere are many on E-bay http://motors.search.ebay.com/OIL-RESERVOIR-CATCH-TANK_W0QQfromZR8QQsamcmZ6000QQsaspiZ2
Is there another name for this other than a "OIL-RESERVOIR-CATCH-TANK"?
If I made one out of a pipe, I would drill two holes and thread them. Install a fitting for the PCV hoses, put a cap on each end of the pipe and drill a hole in the botton cap and put a drain cock on the cap for draining.
Would I need to put something in the pipe like a divider to, give the oil something to drip off of?
What is the little thing with the two hose clamps on the pic?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...6606502&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW#ebayphotohosting
It looks like something that hooks up to the hose???
It looks like something that hooks up to the hose???
Since it has turned cold mine has been collecting a lot of water, I also started car-pooling so a lot of short trips. Hard to tell how much oil, I need to go to a larger one. It fills full of milky water/oil mix about every other fill-up. Would be nice to only have to empty it at every oil change (5K)
I emptied it before the drive down here to FL and it only collected a small amount of oil on the 7 hr drive, no water, I am guessing on short trips the separator stays cold and collects more water.
They are also sometimes called “catch cans”
Not sure what that section of hose on the ebay ling is for, possibly for an inline sight window?
I emptied it before the drive down here to FL and it only collected a small amount of oil on the 7 hr drive, no water, I am guessing on short trips the separator stays cold and collects more water.
They are also sometimes called “catch cans”
Not sure what that section of hose on the ebay ling is for, possibly for an inline sight window?
Raven, have you tried and hooked it up to PCV hose #2 to see if you get any oil?
I need to get two catchers as I have oil sucking in hose#2.
It must suck from #2 and #1 untill all the air is removed then #1 takes over and #2 is a vent OR there is something wrong with my motor.
I need to get two catchers as I have oil sucking in hose#2.
It must suck from #2 and #1 untill all the air is removed then #1 takes over and #2 is a vent OR there is something wrong with my motor.
RavenTai said:
Holy Moly!!! That much water? I'm rethinking if this is the way I want to go...I still have that "TRD" oil catch can which probably has a .5 liter capacity but I have really resisted putting it on cause it is all chromed up and cause i am sure that it is indeed fake TRD, but from the Japanese market for sure so who knows??? I was going to go with the mini-separators but now I'm wondering??? The other thing I'm wondering is where to put the thing; I know the traditional way is between the pcv and the thottle body but i think in my case i should really put it between the open port of the valve cover and the open port of the air intake hose (see pic please). The reason for this is that in the intake hoses going from the air filter area to the turbo, there is oil residue, I cleaned it all out about four thousand miles ago, but on last look there was probably about another 1/4 teaspoon of oil at the bottom of the tube just before the turbo. Now maybe its a good thing to keep the turbo misted by fresh Mobil 1, but I would think it is actually just another contaminant as far as the turbo is concerned? Anyway, if i can catch the oil there, my intake system and intercooler system would stay so much cleaner. For whatever reason, my TB never seems seriously dirty, and, it is so much easier to clean than the intercooler would be. Any thoughts on this? Also any thoughts on if the incredible amount of water Raven is retrieving is what all our engines are dealing with anyway, or if there is something specifically about all separators which increase the condensation in there - closed glas chamber sweating on heat up and cool downs??? Just seems like a lot of water to me? Thanks.
Considering how much crap the EGR puts into the intake I would say only the forced induction guys would ever need a catch can to keep the gunk out of their turbines. Naturally aspirated engines need not apply.
When #2 hose sucks it sucks in front of the trhottle body. All that crap pluges up my small ports.
There are several small ports on the butterfly and there are a couple small ports for the EGR.
I had to ream out the EGR ports already.
All the crap that gets sucked into #1 (the hose with the pcv valve) just goes into the intake chamber.
Is there really any thing wrong with oil crap going into the intake chamber, manifold, valves, cylinders etc?
The main reason I want the catch tank is to see how much oil the motor really uses.
I use 1 qt per 1800 mi with RotellaT syn.
Right now I can't tell how much the motor is buning and how much is being sucked by the pcv.
There are several small ports on the butterfly and there are a couple small ports for the EGR.
I had to ream out the EGR ports already.
All the crap that gets sucked into #1 (the hose with the pcv valve) just goes into the intake chamber.
Is there really any thing wrong with oil crap going into the intake chamber, manifold, valves, cylinders etc?
The main reason I want the catch tank is to see how much oil the motor really uses.
I use 1 qt per 1800 mi with RotellaT syn.
Right now I can't tell how much the motor is buning and how much is being sucked by the pcv.
landtoy80 said:
I think it is the latter, blow-by, blockage somewhere? As I have said before I do not get any oil in the #2 hose nor any in the throttle body. I have had no reason to put it on that hose.
turbocruiser said:Holy Moly!!! That much water? I'm rethinking if this is the way I want to go...I still have that "TRD" oil catch can which probably has a .5 liter capacity but I have really resisted putting it on cause it is all chromed up and cause i am sure that it is indeed fake TRD, but from the Japanese market for sure so who knows??? I was going to go with the mini-separators but now I'm wondering??? The other thing I'm wondering is where to put the thing; I know the traditional way is between the pcv and the thottle body but i think in my case i should really put it between the open port of the valve cover and the open port of the air intake hose (see pic please). The reason for this is that in the intake hoses going from the air filter area to the turbo, there is oil residue, I cleaned it all out about four thousand miles ago, but on last look there was probably about another 1/4 teaspoon of oil at the bottom of the tube just before the turbo. Now maybe it’s a good thing to keep the turbo misted by fresh Mobil 1, but I would think it is actually just another contaminant as far as the turbo is concerned? Anyway, if i can catch the oil there, my intake system and intercooler system would stay so much cleaner. For whatever reason, my TB never seems seriously dirty, and, it is so much easier to clean than the intercooler would be. Any thoughts on this? Also any thoughts on if the incredible amount of water Raven is retrieving is what all our engines are dealing with anyway, or if there is something specifically about all separators which increase the condensation in there - closed glas chamber sweating on heat up and cool downs??? Just seems like a lot of water to me? Thanks.
I have seen the same catch pan on ebay with all sorts of names on it, so I am sure it is not actually TRD. But having that name on there is still nice.
Did you ever get a chance to open that thing up?
The bearing and seals are all that needs lube in the turbo, the compressor impeller will gust get dirty IF any sticks to it, it may not stick I don’t know. The largest complaint and performance drop has been plugged intercooler’s.
The water would be formed either way, when the hot air/vapor passes through the PCV valve the pressure drops there will be a matching drop in temperature excess water that the vapor cannot hold will be dropped, probably on the sides of the line shortly after the valve and will travel down the line until it reaches a lower velocity chamber like the separator.
The oil likely does the same.
Darwood said:
You may be right. There is a lot of funk in the intake some of it is from the PVC and it is easy and cheap to catch so I did it.
landtoy80 said:
In the intake and throttle body it can disrupt flow somewhat the large the deposit the more possible problem, On intake valve stems it can cause more to the guides. Can also prevent a good seal of the valves and if heavy deposits can cause the valves to run hotter if left unchecked I am not sure that it could cause a noticeable problem before time for a rebuild and cleaning of these parts anyway
That was also part of my reasoning, from what I have seen the catch is not catching a significant portion of the oil I am loosing, now I need to seal up my leaks, including the new one in the valve cover after checking valve clearance and then will be able to subtract that from total oil lost to figure how much if any is getting past the rings
Kurt, were your EGR ports clogged with oil? When mine were clogged it definitely was due to EGR carbon.
