Paint prep between coats?

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Hi all,

I am in the middle of painting the 40. I have two finish coats of single stage paint on the truck which have cured for four days. I would like to spray two more coats and want to make sure I prep the paint properly.

I have heard two different opinions on how to prep:
1. simply clean with alcohol and spray
2. wet sand with 1000 followed by 1500, clean and then spray.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks,
Randy
 
If its has been cured for a few days you need to sand the surface anyways to proper adhesion. Usually coats are applied in like 15-30 minutes intervals so resanding isn't needed. I'd hit it all with 1000 grit to take the shine off. I don't know how good you painting is but there will always been some orange peel, so if you take your time you can get it nice and smooth again. shoot it, then after the paint is good and cured again hit it will 1000 then 1500 and buff with cutting compound and finish with a glaze. Its a ton of work!
 
Scuff it lightly with a green Scotchbrite pad, blow it off, tack cloth it and let the paint fly...
 
It depends on how shiny you want it. If you want it to shine, sand it with 1000 and then later 1500 between coats. Unless your base preparation was really good you may see more than you want with a shiny finish.
 
i wet sanded mine between coats with single stage paint and it worked nicely.

a simple scuff will do as well.
 
From what I have researched most recommend something coarser than 1000 . Most I believe say nothing finer than 600, with many saying 400. Once a paint cures it need enough tooth for the next coats to adhere to. Here are some good links:

http://www.autobodystore.com/ms6.htm

http://www.autobody101.com/articles/

http://www.autobody101.com/forums/index.php

Here is a guide from auto body 101

Stripping: 36-80
For metal I use 40, fiberglass or plastic 80 might be called for, 36 grit scratches in plastic can be real nasty. For some plastics that don't sand well consider chemical strippers, be gentle, or go up to 110 or 180. 8" rotary is my choice for stripping.

Prep for filler: 80
No reason to go finer or coarser for any kind of filler that I can see. Often I'll use a grinder to prep for filler, sometimes a rotary sander, sometimes hand.

Prep for primer: 220 dry
Surfacer should fill 220 grit scratches easily, since you don't want to put any waves into the work at this point you'll probably want to use a block. The right way to block sand is in an X pattern, overlapping, never spend time on one spot, be aware of where you're making contact with the piece and for what duration. You can start coarser, 40 if you need to do some serious shaping, but as you progress you should use finer grits and finish with at least 180. This is the stage you're shaping filler in, so I should mention that the best way to do this is clearly with a body file, a cheese grater tool that's used shortly after the filler kicks but before it fully cures. It removes a massive amount of material easy as pie so you can finish with sandpaper. This is also the magic time window to trim fiberglass, do butt joints in cloth, stuff like that.

Prep for topcoat: 400 wet or dry
Minimum, some say you can see 400 scratches, don't go more than 600 or you get adhesion problems. Again, you'll want to use a block, or a sponge on curved surfaces so you don't put waves in the peice with your finger. The purpose here is to either take small imperfections in primer (in which case you can start with lower grits like 220 and work up to 400), or to just provide tooth (just scratch open the surface and you're done). You might want to use a guide coat, a spray can of a contrasting color so you can see all the low spots and keep removing primer till you remove the color (and hence the imperfection).

Prep for buffing: 1500-2000 wet
Don't start with less than 1500 unless you have lots of material to work with or some serious imperfections. Finishing with either 1500 or 2000 is fine cause the buffer can pick it up from there. I guess some guys go way finer than this but I don't see the point. Every once in while you can stop and remove the water with a squeegee, or better an air hose, and pull some light over it to clearly see your work. High spots will be sanded dull, while low spots will remain glossy and reflective. You use light here just like a guide coat. Keep going till it's evenly dull, use a block or sponge never your bare hand. Some use DAs but I don't. Watch out for burn throughs, if you sand through clear coat or through to primer then you've lost a lot of time to fix it.
 
Thanks for all the feedback and tips, much appreciated. My prep prior to the first coat of paint was average and some fine scratches are visible. This is not a show truck and I wheel it hard, so I'm not looking for a super duper finish.

Are there any clear coats on the market that could be sprayed over the glossy paint to dull it down a bit and make the imperfections less noticeable?

Thanks!
Randy
 
I had same thoughts as the buffing on clear coat brought out the mild warping of the metal.

PPG makes clear coats of all different glossinesses.

Most painters do excellent body work and want it as shiny as possible.

I experimented with

PPG DCU 2060 Flexed N Flat

over the top of base coat on tranny tunnel. It won't even reflect light, is very smooth, looks great and cleans easy, It does not fill slightly rough like primer. Unfortunately if you buff it hard it will then shine like normal Clear Coat.

I wish I had used it all over the exterior but chickened out.

I tried to rough up some of my shininess with 0000 steel wool and scotch brite but looked like crap.

Next project I will experiment with some of the semi glossy clear coat or single stage.

the ccot site discusses this some
 
You might try some very fine pumice rubbing powder. I know it will work on polyurethane varnishes. Will take a gloss down to a satin if used with a very soft buffing brush.
 
I don't think there is anything to go over a single stage paint to dull it up, base coat/ clear coat has a dulling agent for the clear coat but you have to experiment with it to get it where you want it and it's tough to match up if you need a spot repair,I wouldn't use steel wool on a surface you intend to paint,any strands left behind will cause a rust spot.
 

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