Paint detail: hinge bolts

[Henry James the 47th]

Does anyone know the detail for door hinge and hood hinge painting? Did they leave the factory with the bolts and hinges painted or not?

And if not, then given the cad plating doesn't last a whole long time, especially where it is exposed to the weather, surely there was a problem with rusting fasteners(?) The hood hinges are galvanized, so painting these seems a bit unnecessary.

If the hinges and bolts were painted, were they also primed? Were the truck panels painted separately and then a last coat going over the hinges and bolts, or was some other method used? It seems to me that if the bolts were painted over, then as soon as the hood or door was removed the paint seal would be broken, and moisture could wick in....

What do you think would be the best practice in any case, given a new door/hood, new hinge, and new oem bolts?

 

[Krusty]

On Ngiri, my '76 40, the hinges were primed, installed and then finished.

Krusty

 

[Gusb]

I'll throw out my opinion since I'm painting mine right now and I think they were original factory when I pulled them off. I think everything got primer and was then assembled before final paint. My door hinges had factory primer just like you will find under the apron, etc. Hood hinges have the additional rubber seal (still available fromToyota) - why they do it there and nowhere else who knows.

It's awkward that the hardware is painted because the paint suffers if you ever adjust the door, etc. but I'm going to paint like stock. I don't like shiny contrasting hardware (or shiny hinges). The exception is the windshield hinge screws which I think don't get paint.

And just like you suspect, the hinges always seem rusty around the edges, even when they have never been off. Here's a link to a shot of my driver's door:
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=7888900&postcount=510

 

[Henry James the 47th]

Thanks Gus.

It look like the doors were primed, the hinges bolted on and then the paint applied on top of both. I've seen this before on other doors but was never sure if they were factory original or not in terms of how they were painted.

But why would the hood hinge bolts be unpainted? I presume the hood hinges were also painted? Does that mean that the hood and its hinges were painted separately, and bolted on with the rubber pad between, and then cad plated bolts used? Why here and not on the doors? It's as if the expectation is that the hood will be removed or adjusted, but not the doors, and yet, it seems to me, more owners are likely to remove the doors and swap in the canvas doors, say, than to take the hood off.

Just trying to get at the logic of how these were put together and painted, and why, and see if there might be an 'ideal' solution of some sort.

 

[Gusb]

But why would the hood hinge bolts be unpainted? I presume the hood hinges were also...

The hood bolts were painted - I mentioned that the windshield frame hinge screws were not. I think most everything was primed, bolted together and painted final color. There is also factory primer on the inside surface of the hinges. And if you pull an apron you can see a strip of primer where the apron meets the fender.

 

[Henry James the 47th]

Okay, got it. Misconstrued your earlier post.

 

[rghouse]

Resurrecting this one.

Agreed, everything was painted except the windshield bolts.

Any new great ideas and/or what are you guys doing with paint and door bolts these days? Issue: removing doors ruins paint on bolt heads. No, I do not like the contrast of shiny bolts either. Is there a special method that will limit damage when seasonally removing doors? or what about powder coating the bolt heads? I seem to remember the ambulance doors phillips head always being a pain in the ass, stripping etc.

 

[shelfboy1]

get soft top hinges you can buy them or they are easy to make from the stock hinges early fj40s had painted w shield hinge bolts .the later style that stuck out werent painted

 

[69LC]

Or this:

Quik Hinges available

 

[WarDamnEagle]

I've been curious about this same question after reviewing a few build threads where everyone seems to be leaving the bolts unpainted upon reassembly. Assuming this vehicle is/was as advertised, all original 1978, then it looks to me like the doors, side and rear, were painted with the hinges and obviously bolts on and then bolted to the vehicle with unpainted bolts (clearly visible on the ambulance doors). I can't see the hood in the photos but I recall seeing another original vehicle that had painted hinges and bolts on the hood side with unpainted bolts on the body side of the hinge. That makes some sense to me if you want to paint as much as you can with the doors and hood off before final assembly.

5K-Mile 1978 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40

Interesting that this $100k restored 1977 has all unpainted bolts. Not that I care that much....I would still love to own it.

KIDNEY, ANYONE? FJ40 Land Cruiser sells for $101,750

 

[oregon fj]

I've been going through this topic with my '64 FST. (Link to build in signature.) My '64 was originally the legendary color now often called "bandaid", a rather pink-beige color. Very distinctive and easy to spot.

It was obvious that virtually all bolt heads on my rig were factory painted, but the process still has me confused. Some parts—like the drop tailgate hinges—were bolted on the rig prior to paint as there was nothing but reddish primer underneath. So on those parts, painted bolts makes sense.

But many other parts I removed had original bandaid paint underneath, so the tub was painted prior to those bits being bolted on. Yet the bolt heads were still painted. No indication that a second color coat had been applied after assembly. One has to wonder if Toyota painted the bolts separately and then bolted things together. If so, how did they keep from chipping the paint on the bolts?

As to today, while it is not stock, I made the intentional decision on my rig to not paint the bolt heads, primarily to facilitate future service and maintenance. Maybe someday I or a future owner will decide to paint them all, but for now I'm leaving them raw. So far this is only really noticeable on the rear, but it will be seen on the door hinges as well, once I get to those.

 

[cruiserboy14]

As I'm getting from this thread: It looks like Mr. Toyota painted them stock in various ways throughout the years of manufacture. But as @oregon fj stated it may be wise to leave some to cure some headaches in future maintenance. So... owners discretion I guess now...