Oil filler tube in '64 F motor - Interference fit?

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Guys, I've got significant leaks coming out the base of the oil filler tube on the original F motor in my '64 FST. The oil filler tube is loose and sloppy fit, and I see no provision for a seal there. Can this be right? Am I missing something?
 
I have a 66, with the old type filter. That tube that holds the top down definitely has a rubber gasket at the base. I can send pic of mine if u wish
 
No, not the filter, but the oil filler tube on the right side of the motor. Goes directly down into the block.

Looks like PO had issues there too, as it has a big ring of RTV on the tube.
 
Hope this gets answered, mine’s very loose too.

Billsboat sent you a pm.
 
Hope this gets answered, mine’s very loose too.

Think the answer is fix the loose fit by swaging the fill tube so it's a tight fit again. Then be sure the bracket that secures it to the block is a solid fit so the tube doesn't move around when the cap it removed or installed.
 
Think the answer is fix the loose fit by swaging the fill tube so it's a tight fit again. Then be sure the bracket that secures it to the block is a solid fit so the tube doesn't move around when the cap it removed or installed.
Wow. That's going to take a fair amount of expansion. I might have as much as 1/16" or more slop.
 
Wow. That's going to take a fair amount of expansion. I might have as much as 1/16" or more slop.


Easier than shrinking the hole in the bolt. I enjoy the challenge. I have hung on stuff that most people would throw away just for when a challenge like this comes. Would find something just slightly large and drive it a short way in. Use a pipe wrench to twist the piece driven in until it moves freely. Then drive in a little more and repeat until it all the way in.
 
How hot does this get? Maybe a McMaster Carr expansion plug.
 
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Easier than shrinking the hole in the bolt. I enjoy the challenge. I have hung on stuff that most people would throw away just for when a challenge like this comes. Would find something just slightly large and drive it a short way in. Use a pipe wrench to twist the piece driven in until it moves freely. Then drive in a little more and repeat until it all the way in.
I know the process, just seems like I'm going to need to bridge a pretty large gap. Will take a look at it tomorrow.
 
I think I’m not understanding what is exactly the issue...the fill tube?

Maybe some pictures of the offending fitting would be be helpful
 
Guys, I've got significant leaks coming out the base of the oil filler tube on the original F motor in my '64 FST. The oil filler tube is loose and sloppy fit, and I see no provision for a seal there. Can this be right? Am I missing something?


This is a Easy..................... , Long term fix :

- Remove tube and polish end ( Mating Contact Surface ) to bare metal / remove all grease & oil & any trace amounts of old PEP Boys Sealer like BLUE Permatex before doing so

- Clean out the Bore or tube hole in F engine block the same way

- Use brake clean on a rag and wipe down both surfaces , to sanitize them so to speak , DO NOT spray brake Klean down in engine bore tube hole or any where else , Just wet down a Fiber-less paper towell or clean shop cloth Wipe

- Verify U still have the Horizontal support Bracket on your tube that bolts to the side cover 6mm fastener , ( As shown in the photo below ) If u dont Stop here until U have a support tube bracket to work with ,otherwise u will be wasting your time & $ , that's the only thing that will prevent a future leak

- Apply / Wet-Down both polished Tube Bottom & Inside Engine Block Bore with Toyota FIPG , Black oil pan and cam shaft housing sealer 00295-00103 available at your Local dealer , Use Liberally , But Not Too Liberally

- Only Use Toyota Genuine Parts F.I.P.G , any other liquid sealer will fail sooner rather then later


- Install Tube gently rotating it side to side a bit , any ONLY a bit , to mate both coats of sealer FIPG , U must do this quickly after applying or FIPG will begin to tack or Set-Up after Less then 5 Minutes

- Do the prescribed on a Cold engine , Not a HoT expanded one

- re-attach the side cover support bracket

- Let the FIPG set op over night

- come the next day u will have a ROCK-Solid repair & reseal

- FIPG black 00295-00103 is semi structural when hardened , It is the density of Hard EPDM black rubber when fully cured

- between the FIPG and the bracket , that Tube should not Move or wiggle , it should be fairly Rock solid



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That looks like the answer, Matt. Thanks. Yes, I do have the support bracket, so I will see if my local Toyota dealer keeps the FIPG on hand. (Unfortunately, they have been not much better than worthless so far.)
 
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I took another look, while it feels very sloppy, it's not as loose as it seems. Got my calipers out there's only a few thousandths difference. Swaging the tube to tighten the fit would be difficult since the end of the tube is bull-nosed. Matt's sealant should do the trick.

Going to need to find a new gasket for the oil filler cap, it has a home-made one now that is very tight, which may have been the root cause in this case.
 
Your local dealer will , 00295-00103 Its a required part# to have on hand for the service dept. warranty work

it will come in a Red & Black box like this


- Also , The Removable style gasket on a early FJ40 gas cap is the same as the Oil cap.........

- U can also make one out of EPDM rubber roofing material and a razor blade very easy

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When you find a source for the cap grommet, let us know. I 'borrowed' a used one off another filler neck cap to fix the leak on my '64.

Ownership has its privileges.:grinpimp:
 
When you find a source for the cap grommet, let us know. I 'borrowed' a used one off another filler neck cap to fix the leak on my '64.

Ownership has its privileges.:grinpimp:
I cut my own from a piece of appropriate semi-rigid plastic.
 
I figured with all the gas caps and radiator caps in the world, somebody would eventually track something down.
 

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