We went camping this weekend, and the new Nitro 4.88 gears pulled the trailer great. My 6000# trailer felt like it was maybe 4500#. The one thing I noticed was that the engine and transmission temp were higher than normal when monitoring in OBD Fusion. Historically on the highway (at least around here in flatlandia) if the torque converter is locked I'll see engine oil, coolant, transmission pan, and torque converter temps all hover between 196F and 200F, almost in sync (typically 196-198F, but if it's really hot out or we get up a few thousand feet in elevation like western Nebraska I'll see it hit 200F or maybe 1-2F higher). I used to tow in 4th gear all day long.
With the new gears I tried towing in both 4th and 5th. In both scenarios I can lock the torque converter up, at least on Illinois highways. But in both scenarios as I got above 55-60 mph the transmission, torque converter, and engine oil temps all slowly creep up. Coolant temp stayed stable at 199F. 4th or 5th gear didn't matter, so this wasn't a matter of "can't get A/T fluid through the system fast enough. Ambient temps were 75-77F so not that hot out. Since I was driving I couldn't take precise notes, but it looked pretty much like this, give or take maybe a degree):
Temps color coded for easy viewing. I checked and the engine oil and coolant levels looked good.
Given it's both transmission temps and engine oil temps that are running about 10F hotter than normal, and the only significant change is the new gears, I'm thinking the hotter temps are gear related. I have two possible theories, but wanted to know pool the group to see their experiences and thoughts and if this seems normal to those who have re-geared or if this is as concerning to others as it is to me:
FWIW I'm not too concerned about the extra heat for occasional local trips, but I am a bit concerned that when I get out west and the ambient temps are 95-100F and the air is a bit thinner at a few thousand feet of elevation where *normally* my temps might get to 201-202F suddenly I'm not going to be able to control the heat without slowing waaay down.
With the new gears I tried towing in both 4th and 5th. In both scenarios I can lock the torque converter up, at least on Illinois highways. But in both scenarios as I got above 55-60 mph the transmission, torque converter, and engine oil temps all slowly creep up. Coolant temp stayed stable at 199F. 4th or 5th gear didn't matter, so this wasn't a matter of "can't get A/T fluid through the system fast enough. Ambient temps were 75-77F so not that hot out. Since I was driving I couldn't take precise notes, but it looked pretty much like this, give or take maybe a degree):
Speed MPH | Coolant Temp | Engine Oil Temp | Transmission Pan Temp | Torque Converter Temp |
55-60 | 199 | 199 | 199 | 199 |
65 | 199 | 203 | 203 | 203 |
70 | 199 | 207 | 207 | 207 |
75 | 199 | 210 | 210 | 210 |
Temps color coded for easy viewing. I checked and the engine oil and coolant levels looked good.
Given it's both transmission temps and engine oil temps that are running about 10F hotter than normal, and the only significant change is the new gears, I'm thinking the hotter temps are gear related. I have two possible theories, but wanted to know pool the group to see their experiences and thoughts and if this seems normal to those who have re-geared or if this is as concerning to others as it is to me:
- Not enough airflow across front diff to keep it cool. My temps were pretty stable before, and I've heard shorter gears can run hotter since they're spinning faster, so perhaps the gears are generating more heat. Airflow hasn't changed (though my front bumper+winch does change the airflow from stock), but if I was pretty close to the limit that the truck could cool before (no way to know this) perhaps now I'm over that limit? I'm thinking of dropping the skids to test this theory during my next camping trip on June 10. Just a bit of hassle to do this in the garage
- Incorrect diff fluid type/weight. I went with synthetic Redline 75W-140 in an attempt to manage lubrication under heavier loads since about half my driving is typically with the trailer in tow. Is the excess heat a good thing (meaning the fluid is extracting heat from the gears and transferring into the aluminum housing) or is the fluid too heavy (viscous) even under load and perhaps I should be running the Toyota 75W-90 fluid (or something else)? I could just swap it, but I only have about a month to make adjustments and only really one more camping/towing trip planned before I have a long road trip, so if 75W-90 will make it worse I don't want to waste time (and $) testing that
- Other possibilities I'm not thinking of?
FWIW I'm not too concerned about the extra heat for occasional local trips, but I am a bit concerned that when I get out west and the ambient temps are 95-100F and the air is a bit thinner at a few thousand feet of elevation where *normally* my temps might get to 201-202F suddenly I'm not going to be able to control the heat without slowing waaay down.