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The Coyote is a horrible engine for a truck. The only people that buy them are luddites that don't know up from down.
The 3.5 ecoboost is everything you want in a gasoline truck engine.
I bet Toyota does it better... But keep wishing you had a 3UR... An engine out of its own league a decade ago.
Talk to the F-150 guys whose turbos glow red after towing. There is no replacement for displacement. And you think a 3.4tt (even Toyota) will go 400k no sweat like a big under-stressed V8 will? Honestly???
"What matters" is sound and feel, and longevity at least to me. I don't care that my truck sucks gas down like a 1970s V12 Ferarri. You accuse me of straw man argument then act like your bottom line "is that's all" based on your opinion.
I think a big reason LC sales are up 30% here for 2021 is because many want the V8 before it's gone forever.
What an ignorant post. The Coyote is the most reliable engine option Ford offers for that truck. Yes, the 3.5 outperforms it in every way, but it also has a lot more problems over time. Some people are willing to sacrifice performance for reliability and longevity.
It’s also why people buy and love Toyota’s. They have a tendency to be boring and outdated, but they run forever. Reliability matters, and Toyota’s conservative approach to adding new technology is one of the reasons it has developed a reputation for reliability.
I have no doubt Toyota has figured out a way to make a 3.5T reliable. It will almost certainly be more reliable than Ford’s. But, will it be as or more reliable as the 5.7 it replaces? Very highly unlikely.
So, to summarize the recent developments:
- V8s are outdated garbage.
- TT V6s are new garbage.
- The tailgate is the single most important feature that makes a LC a LC.
- Toyota has no idea what the market wants.
- Toyota knows exactly what the market wants.
- Cars now identify as "alphas" and "betas."
- Everyone should sell their s***ty LC and buy a Ferd FTEENTHOUSAND.
Sound about right?
- V8s are outdated garbage.
- TT V6s are new garbage.
- The tailgate is the single most important feature that makes a LC a LC.
- Toyota has no idea what the market wants.
- Toyota knows exactly what the market wants.
- Cars now identify as "alphas" and "betas."
- Everyone should sell their s***ty LC and buy a Ferd FTEENTHOUSAND.
Sound about right?
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It is their choice with their money $$$ ...
At least they have a choice...
Yep the current V-8 is older, but it has proven and works well... it is not posing as anything else and is there for the whole world to see...
The invention of the the wheel is older too, but people seem to keep using them... Luddites...
Ironic. The Gen 3 coyote has been plagued with problems - more than this iteration of the ecoboost. The timing chain issues on long oil change intervals is the big issue I am aware of on the 3.5 ecoboost. Almost every engine has inherent issues, even the 3UR, as everyone knows the cam tower leaks.
For all intents and purposes the Coyote was developed for the mustang, and even in F150 guise it makes power up too high for its application in a truck. It is not a well designed truck engine, and does not tow nearly as well as the 3.5 ecoboost. Thats why nobody chooses them.
Building an engine with turbos does not inherently mean its unreliable. Now that is ignorant.
Disagree. Diesel applications and turbos are tried and true. I can’t think of many gasoline engines that have tried and true track records aside from maybe the 2.0 VW/Audi that’s in everything and has been forever.
No, it’s an old adage that rings true. Big engine, big NA power. Keep your Ecoboost. I like having a truck with a proper V8 that doesn’t sound like a baby sneezing when it starts. And you’ll never convince me a turbo V6 is the ideal truck engine. If I were a Ford guy the Coyote V8 would be the only way I’d go.
Virtue signaling? Hah, people who buy 12MPG trucks that cost $90,000 don’t generally belong to that party that screams all day long how green they are. You’re talking about a completely different set of people.
People want the last 200s bc the V8 will be axed among other things. I actually saw two of the brand new Heritage Editions while out today (LCs sell like crazy here in Knoxville).
Cars suck now (4 cylinder E-Class/5 Series for example), and they’re taking away trucks piece by piece, too. I’ve ridden in the LS500 it isn’t a pleasant engine, at least compared to the V8s before it.
That engine was dropping valves left and right before they figured out how to reduce carbon build up, haha. Not a great example.
Ever hear of the 2JZ? Lol (just to mention one Toyota example). There are tons of reliable turbo engines. Most issues show up when you start pushing boost and modding them - or when a manufacturer starts pushing new technology.
Toyota did nothing extraordinary on the V35 engines... theres no new tech. Theres zero reason to assume it wont be very reliable.
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Lol. You sure you dont have an e46 M3? Only someone extremely skilled in the pedantry of manual transmissions and high revving NA engines would espouse such nonsense - "Give me a worse engine, I dont care about anything else".
This isnt even a performance oriented vehicle where that connection to the driver argument at least has some legs. Hilarious.
What are you talking about??!!??!
Go on Instagram. The amount of people virtue signaling their 200 series while "overlanding" is too numerous to count.V35 is a great engine, and the LS500 is way better car than the LS460. I've had it as a loaner numerous times. People like the LS430 because its the most reliable Lexus in history, not because of the V8. Everyone knows that.
Lol. You sure you dont have an e46 M3? Only someone extremely skilled in the pedantry of manual transmissions and high revving NA engines would espouse such nonsense - "Give me a worse engine, I dont care about anything else".
This isnt even a performance oriented vehicle where that connection to the driver argument at least has some legs. Hilarious.
What are you talking about??!!??!
V35 is a great engine, and the LS500 is way better car than the LS460. I've had it as a loaner numerous times. People like the LS430 because its the most reliable Lexus in history, not because of the V8. Everyone knows that.
I own an LS430 for crying out loud, have for many many years and I can tell you that you’re wrong. That 4.3 is what makes an LS430 special. The old original Lexus V8 UZ engines, nothing touched them in smoothness or refinement including and especially the noisy ticking mess UR 4.6 that came in the 460. I will grant you that also the appeal of a 430 is the flat-stupid reliability, but trust me, as an owner. The V8 purrs in an LS430 unlike pretty much any other car I’ve ever been in. And I’ve been in a lot.
Your first few paragraphs didn’t make much sense; all my response is is that “performance” in a truck isn’t defined necessarily by acceleration. High revving? No, I don’t own German garbage cars trust me. My LX just loafs along, the engine doesn’t have to work very hard.
I will NEVER want one of these without a V8.
You might not be familiar with the "200 Series" forum here, but there is a thread called... something like "What's your other Car?"
You might be surprised to see what some of these V-8 loving Luddites with 8th grade educations drive...LOL !!!
Oh yeah, the typical Land Cruiser buyer was the Toyota/Lexus customer with the highest household income for ANY Toyota or Lexus product sold in the USA.
Another wise move by TOYODA USA Marketing to lose that customer base.
OK, back to convincing the luddites here a Turbo V-6 is the best truck engine in the world.... LOL !!!!!
My strawman, broke his broom stick back, Laughing His Straw Ass off....
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