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One of the newer tenants in my complex is an exhaust parts wholesaler, Cactus Converter. I met the owner and talked to him tonight about the cruiser, he looked at the truck, had some good ideas and said he knew a couple of good shops to do it. Then said I would not touch the exhaust on your truck, the emissions stations are installing new software that brings up a picture of the bottom side and the monkeys look for your truck to match, if it doesn't you will get additional scrutiny, it may be up to you to prove it's in compliance or change it back to stock!

He is worried about the future of his business, said some of the national exhaust organizations are working in Arizona to find a solution. According to him some of his custom shops have had to do some screwy stuff to get customers car through emissions. They are targeting any cars that look custom, duel exhausts, done with legal cats and O2 sensors, they have had to plumb both sides into one cat then split after the cat to the back, because the truck only came with one cat from the factory. A bunch of custom jobs have been converted back it stock configuration.

His advice is if it's OBD2 don't touch the exhaust, unless your willing to keep the stock one and install it to go through emissions every other year! This is only in the last couple of months and only in some stations, they are working on getting it installed in all of the stations ASAP. With the new system the old "go down the street and see what the next station says" gig won't work, they are all networked and your VIN brings up the monkeys notes, so they will look at the something.
 
LandCruiserPhil said:
One more reason not to register in Maricopa county

That may not work much longer.:frown:
 
That could explain the extra scrutiny I got last weekend when I took my Cruiser in for it's annual molestation. I had an old timer white shirt monkey trying his hardest to find something in a book that would show I should have cats.

I pointed to the sticker in the door jamb that says "NON CATALYST" but he wouldn't have it.

Eventually passed though:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Asshats!
 
Move north!
 
Cdaniel said:
Eventually passed though:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: Asshats!

I am with you on that one. I cringe at having these monkeys touch a manual transmission again........And the three tests we took at different stations were ALL in the system, they printed the comparisons to the latest test, wherever it was taken............
 
Well at least I left my cats in place. The exhaust behind them is now different. Thanks for the good news Kevin :flipoff2:
 
I don't understand...there are a lot of carb certified exhausts out there, how will they know if it is or not. My Bimmer has a UUC exhaust under it and it is fully carb approved but full SS so how will the know the diff? If you have the stock cat config I don't see the difference.
 
The exhausts that they had to change were legal. When the OBD2 is plugged in, the new software displays pictures of a stock car, they look at your car, if it doesn't look like the picture it's time to have fun. This is something new, he said like all new things with them, in time we will know what they will accept. But right now the exhaust industry doesn't know what will fly, so his recommendation is if it's working don't change it, or you run the risk of having to modify or change it back to stock. This is from an exhaust wholesaler, his dinner comes from selling exhaust parts. If the system is legal you can spend some quality time fighting with the referee or take then to court, if it's worth it to you.
 
How about pre-OBDII. Last year when I did emissions all they did was a visual, and idle test. I'm up again next month.
 
Cdaniel said:
That could explain the extra scrutiny I got last weekend when I took my Cruiser in for it's annual molestation. I had an old timer white shirt monkey trying his hardest to find something in a book that would show I should have cats.

I pointed to the sticker in the door jamb that says "NON CATALYST" but he wouldn't have it.

Eventually passed though:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Asshats!

I just passed emmisions last w/e as well. They looked all around w/ the mirror for the cat. After ten minutes, they walked back the the screen to mark it as fail---then they got pissed that he could not fail me. This happens everytime- as we all know....
Now, I don't say anything-I just let them go. Other times, I have pointed to the door jam plate but it just makes them mad.
 
Have they actually changed any laws? 5-6 years ago when I put headers on my FJ60, they only cared that visually everything was there, and that it passed the tail pipe test. I used MAF headers with EGR outlet (not CARB certified, but functional), and never got hassled. Glad my 80 is a '95, even though it has OBD-II, just had to do an idle test last year.
 
Rob, with OBDII they just plug into your computer and it will tell them if it is within tolerances. My 94, however, only gets a visual, gas cap test, and they sniff the pipe at idle. They can't plug into my puter:D They can't run it on the dyno either, because of fulltime 4wd. So I should still get off pretty easy, unless they start carrying pics of all pre- OBDII vehicles.
I tested mine at a friends shop last month. Even with my well modified exhaust, he said I should still pass. If I don't, he'll make sure I pass the retest.
 
Sounds like a bunch of bullsh!t to me. Either it passes the sniff test or not. Does the vehicle pollute or not? Simple friggin concept. Ahhh! This chit pisses me off.
 
OMG why is everyone all worried, if you have an odb2 car and the exhaust system is modified correctly(meaning not triggering a code) you should be fine, meaning if you new exhaust has an O2 sensor before a proprerly operation high flow cat converter, and then another o2 sensor after the o2 sensor...

Now if you have so johnny comne lately shade tree special exhaust on your truck that throws a code, I'd be more worried about how my truck is running and the potential of it breaking something or reducing my performance then passing emmissions... I'm not sure what an 0db2 toyota Landcruiser does in LIMP mode but I'm sure it's not fun
 
BMAN said:
Sounds like a bunch of bullsh!t to me. Either it passes the sniff test or not. Does the vehicle pollute or not? Simple friggin concept. Ahhh! This chit pisses me off.
I know it's just silly, in CA you can't own a post emmsions car with a modified exhaust anymore..(enforced mostly on import tuner cars aka ricers)... It makes absolutely no sense to me, an after market high quality hi flow cat like say a CarSound cat will out perform any factory cat on showroom stock cars, they have more media to burn unburnt gasses and they can actually lower the emmissions coming out of your tale pipe, but in the Republic of Califonia their illegal... The birth place of the hot rod is going to be the place that kills them...
 
Relix said:
I know it's just silly, in CA you can't own a post emmsions car with a modified exhaust anymore..(enforced mostly on import tuner cars aka ricers)... It makes absolutely no sense to me, an after market high quality hi flow cat like say a CarSound cat will out perform any factory cat on showroom stock cars, they have more media to burn unburnt gasses and they can actually lower the emmissions coming out of your tale pipe, but in the Republic of Califonia their illegal... The birth place of the hot rod is going to be the place that kills them...

This has absolutely nothing to do with making sense, it's about government and they don't care if it passes the tail pipe test. The systems I am talking about all were professionally done by custom exhaust shops, all using quality name brand legal parts, some on ricers and some on trucks.
 
Relix said:
OMG why is everyone all worried, if you have an odb2 car and the exhaust system is modified correctly(meaning not triggering a code) you should be fine, meaning if you new exhaust has an O2 sensor before a proprerly operation high flow cat converter, and then another o2 sensor after the o2 sensor...

Now if you have so johnny comne lately shade tree special exhaust on your truck that throws a code, I'd be more worried about how my truck is running and the potential of it breaking something or reducing my performance then passing emmissions... I'm not sure what an 0db2 toyota Landcruiser does in LIMP mode but I'm sure it's not fun

Read Kevins posts again. It doesn't have anything to do with throwing codes, its about the visual inspection.
 
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Looking through the actual law tonight. Might not even be legal. Will get back w/ ya's on this one.
 

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