Need PTO Winch Shear Pin and U-joint Part Numbers

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Dan is a busy individual. You have to call if you want his attention. Beno has been known to lookup part numbers via PM.

Good to know - guess I'll either shoot Dan a call or just PM Beno. Thanks! :cheers:

The PTO u-joints are available at Napa here in Canuckistan...


~John
:hhmm: So a second person to mention NAPA as a source! Hey Radd - can you offer any explaination about the 2 different part numbers there are out there for PTO u-joints? Any personal experience or knowledge on the topic? How about the shear pin mods? Any first-hand experience or knowledge on that? Thanks! :cheers:



Also, these are some posts that others made in the Diesel thread....I would like to keep all the relevant information in this thread so others now and in the future can get find it if they need it....:D

use M8 hard bolt for shear pin, std shear pin usually breaks at first sight of work but bolt is good for several thousand kg's yet it still breaks before any other part in winch...

thats exactly the reason why no one uses the std shear pin becouse it breaks around 1 500kg (or earlier) while its safe to pull atleast 5000-6000kg without risking the winch... Winch itself can pull over 10 000kg but usually something gives in before that kind of force is needed...

but as said, M8 hard bolt is alright for shear pin, some even use bigger bolts...

Since you are committed to a shear pin at shear pin values then use a grade 2 bolt - 5/16 inch is very close to an 8mm. You should have no problem buying a box full of the correct length at any supplier for a song. When you are done with them at least move up to a grade 5 for a bit more strength.

just like the others said,use bolts for the shearpin,l use to ba able to buy them from toyota,then they were discontinued,then the dealer got them from the toyota forklift dealer,l think the part number is 90240-05004.
As for the u joint,l was able to buy them from a local part store,they are the same as a BJ60 steering lingkage u joint from the box to the column.
Simon
TLC winnipeg

Anyone else know anything about this....that the PTO u-joint is the same u-joint used in the steering setup in a BJ60?? :hhmm:
 
I have heard the U-joint compatabilty story too, but was shot down in another thread, but I had heard it was an FJ-55 steering u-joint.

I can't say on the newer versus older U-joint and o-ring issue. I wasn't thinking about your PTO being on a newer truck. I looked at Toyotapartszones listing for newer 40's and nothing came up, infact, the 79 listings were the newest models that I found that had a page for the PTO, but there were no parts listed. I pulled up the 73, cause that is what I have, and I knew it was still listed there and the parts.

I really don't know that the driveshaft and u-joints changed with the newer settups, as they are even rarer than the early settups here.

I guess a person could go to NAPA and order a BJ-60 u-joint, and just take it back if it don't look right. I think an FJ-60 would be the same part. Don't know if it would be much cheaper though.

The last shear pins I ordred were from Spector, ordered several, keep them in a pill bottle in the glove box. They were not the same as the original I took out my winch. I was told they came from the newer 70 series winches. Those may still be available new.

I have never broke a pin, but sadly I have only lightly used my winch a couple of times. By the time I could afford one and got one all restored and put on my truck, I was no longer in the location and doing the wheeling that I was when dreamed of having a winch, guess I better work on that in the future.
 
OK, I got curious and did some more searching. Found this great thread: https://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/82386-jinkies-fj60-steering-column-u-joint-info.html

Looking at Toyota parts zone, the spider kit for a *J-60 steering shaft is 04371-10011, the same number you posted prior.

Looking at Toyodiy, for a 1975 1200cc Corolla, they list 04371-10011 for the spider kit in the rear driveshaft.

Also looking a Toyodiy, I see that a 1982 HJ-47 lists both part numbers for the PTO shaft, both 04371-10011 and 60020 which tells me they might be interchangable. Can't tell without the picture. Dan may know for sure.

NAPA shows them #PUJ395 for 25 bucks each, worth picking one up and trying it. But if these do fit, then they must be pretty stout if they were rear driveline u-joints for a car application. Toyota parts zone lists a 04371-10011 at 36 bucks, so there is some savings at NAPA.
 
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Damn, found another cross reference that shows these two u-joints at different sizes. Now I don't know at all.

http://www.dvss-msk.ru/cats/toyo.pdf

You can find the Toyota number in this list and their number. They end up being a TT-111 or TT-114, but their measurements are different for the two.

Here is another thread on the subject: https://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/206677-factory-pto-gear-value.html

So I guess the question is, are your caps brass or steel dieselover????

I'll have to go look at mine tonight and see. They were rust colored and then I painted them, but I don't rememeber wire brushing and seeing brass.
 
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EDIT: Although I did find the thread last night, it appears you beat me to posting it by 10 minutes...lol


Good info and nice finds there MoCo! I found something even more interesting last night, but was so exhausted I didn't post up about it....

https://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/206677-factory-pto-gear-value.html

This is a good thread with side-by-side pictures of both u-joints, which clears up any speculation that they might be interchangeable! Apparently, it has already been established that they are definitely NOT! :eek: After finding this, I was surprised cruiser_guy hadn't chimed in on this by now - must be on the road or something...:meh:

Anyway, MY interpretation of that thread is that the smaller 04371-10011 joint is NOT a PTO u-joint - only the larger 04371-60020 is, according to cruiser_guy and shelfboy. Now my question is: Did all of the Toyota PTOs use the larger joint? Or was there a point-in-time that Toyota DID use the smaller (corolla/steering) u-joint for the PTO shafts?? Cruiser_guy, are you out there??

I think the easiest way for me to determine which u-joint I need is to pull one out and go to NAPA and compare it to their PUJ395....:idea: But from the sound of that thread, it won't be the right one.

Hey MoCo - any luck tracking down the 04371-60020 anywhere other than toyotapartszone? Would be sweet if we could find a NAPA part number for it....:p Always nice to be able to go and compare first-hand and know I'm ordering/getting the right part. But then again, if I can rule out the 04371-10011/PUJ395, then I guess I know the 04371-60020 is the one I need...;)

On a side note, I also dug THIS ONE up, which should be of interest to anyone with a PTO winch....it talks about the risk/danger of OVER greasing the u-joints...I found it interesting, as well....:popcorn:

MoCo, RE: the shear pins, I have heard/read the same thing, which made me initially curious to try to find this "newer, stronger 70-series pin". And I'm still kicking around the idea of going that route, though how do you ever know which pin you are gonna get/are getting? What was different about the SOR pin from the old? I'm still strongly considering an upgrade to some type of larger-grade bolt...considering where most of my wheeling is for the time being, I could have 15 spare pins in the glove box, but an on-trail pin replacement may not even be possible until AFTER I am "recovered"...

And yes, you need to wheel that thing man! I need you to be my guinea pig and test out the winch with some different shear pin combinations....:hhmm: :lol:
 
I've been looking and I'm coming up short on any kind of cross-over part number for the 60020 joint. I just can't find anything that ties it to a common NAPA joint.

The only thing I noticed on toyodiy was the column stating number required. The 60020 part says three, the other 10011 says 4, for your year and model. Go to mine, a 1973 and it says 7 of the 60020.

The front shaft on mine takes 3 joints, I assume yours does too. In the early days an optional rear shaft was offered, set up like the front with a pillow block and stuff, that would have taken 7 total joints for the front and rear shaft. Later on that seems to be dropped. For instance my PTO box has a front and rear output. The boxes for the split case rarely ever have the rear, just a front output.

So either the smaller joints were used on a rear output of some sort in the 80's, or there were two styles of shaft as you mentioned, and therefore, only one joint will work.

I'm betting we are stuck ordering Toyota joints, and better get them while they are still around. I'm planning on swapping a 4-speed in my 40, so I will have to modify the PTO at that time, and will replace joints then.

On the shear pins. What I presumed was an original vintage when I bought the winch had a head on it, and then the other end had a hole for a little cotter pin. The replacements I recieved are just straight pins, tappered on each end with a hole for a cotter on each end. They fit a tad loose that way, tad longer. I made up a couple with one cotter pin already inserted and rolled over, so you only had to fiddle with the other after sticking it in the shaft in the dark and mud.
 
I've been looking and I'm coming up short on any kind of cross-over part number for the 60020 joint. I just can't find anything that ties it to a common NAPA joint.

The only thing I noticed on toyodiy was the column stating number required. The 60020 part says three, the other 10011 says 4, for your year and model. Go to mine, a 1973 and it says 7 of the 60020.

The front shaft on mine takes 3 joints, I assume yours does too. In the early days an optional rear shaft was offered, set up like the front with a pillow block and stuff, that would have taken 7 total joints for the front and rear shaft. Later on that seems to be dropped. For instance my PTO box has a front and rear output. The boxes for the split case rarely ever have the rear, just a front output.

So either the smaller joints were used on a rear output of some sort in the 80's, or there were two styles of shaft as you mentioned, and therefore, only one joint will work.

I'm betting we are stuck ordering Toyota joints, and better get them while they are still around. I'm planning on swapping a 4-speed in my 40, so I will have to modify the PTO at that time, and will replace joints then.

On the shear pins. What I presumed was an original vintage when I bought the winch had a head on it, and then the other end had a hole for a little cotter pin. The replacements I recieved are just straight pins, tappered on each end with a hole for a cotter on each end. They fit a tad loose that way, tad longer. I made up a couple with one cotter pin already inserted and rolled over, so you only had to fiddle with the other after sticking it in the shaft in the dark and mud.
Okay, let's go piece-by-piece here:

- Not sure what page you are looking at on toyodiy. I have my VIN # in and am under: Powertrain/Chassis; 36-03 Drive shaft. I do not show the 60020 PN at all. (in fact, there is nothing there that shows "qty: 3" at all) I do have the "spider: 10011" and it does show "qty: 4" for that.

- Yes, my front shaft does have 3 u-joints. I also have the rear PTO output like you do, although I do not have a rear shaft or anything attached to it. I like your reasoning and theory on the possible use of 4 u-joints that might be the 10011 for the rear. But it seems kind of silly that toyodiy would only show me the 10011 and a qty of 4 for my truck when I only have a front PTO drive shaft (that would only use 3 of whichever u-joint I need)? :confused:

- Do you know the part number of the replacement shear pins you bought? With some research, finding that there is apparently more than one "size" of shear pin out there from Toyota....:confused:

From HERE:

The later 70 series pin is thicker and has a one
ended clasp.

Part number 90240-05004
The earlier pin has different numbers depending on the year.
90255-04001 up to 10/82
90255-04002 after that.

The earlier pin has a clumsy split pin in each end.

The later pin is 5mm, some of the guys here use concrete nails.


Also, from what I've heard, according to the Toyota parts catalog, 04002 superseded 04001, but then goes back to 04001! :confused:

Then, I read this HERE:

I finally blew a sheer ping in my PTO winch and i ordered the part number 90255-04001 for the replacement pins. I took out the broken pin that was inside my PTO shaft last night and it is way bigger than the replacement pins. Is this part number the correct one or did i order the wrong ones?? I'll try to get a picture up soon so you guys can see the size difference in the pins.

and then, referring to u-joints breaking...

No doubt. That is why mine is a greaseable,m easily replaceable, very strong NAPA unit. I have seen ptos pull themselves out after the 8274 they were previously hooked to failed from load. Cruiser PTO pulled hard, but got it out.

And there is plenty of info in there about people using different things for shear pins with various results....

So? :confused::confused::confused: :popcorn:
 
....Anyway, MY interpretation of that thread is that the smaller 04371-10011 joint is NOT a PTO u-joint - only the larger 04371-60020 is, according to cruiser_guy and shelfboy. Now my question is: Did all of the Toyota PTOs use the larger joint? Or was there a point-in-time that Toyota DID use the smaller (corolla/steering) u-joint for the PTO shafts?? Cruiser_guy, are you out there??.....

60020 was apparently used in PTO shafts 1969 to 1982.

10011 was apparently used from 1981/1982 onwards. (Some overlap there.)

"Early" has 3 spiders while "late" has 4. (Don't ask me why!)

And the unusual "bronze caps and absence of needle-rollers" in "60020" makes me think that obtaining non-Toyota replacements would be difficult if you have the early shafts.


:beer:
 
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That's interesting about using your VIN and only getting the one result. I just generically clicked on Austrailia based, HJ-47 1982, as there are several models and configurations and I got the two.

I'll see if I have the number, can't remember if I do or not. I'm kind of thinking it is the 04001 with "The earlier pin has a clumsy split pin in each end" as that is what I got from Specter.
 
I'll tell you - this is complicated! To further confuse matters, cruiser_guy states HERE the larger 60020 is greasable, whereas the 10011 is not. Now I wonder...what brand was the 10011 that cruiser_guy had there? Are all 10011 "non-greasable"? If so, then I have 60020's - my current ones have grease nipples. But as we know, that 10011 could be a NAPA and be "non-greasable" and the factory be greasable! :confused::confused::confused:

From the aspect of that picture, it makes the 60020 look "large"....larger than the u-joints on my PTO shaft! But pictures like that can be deceiving. I think I am going to try to get my hands on the NAPA 10011 and try to see how it compares to what I have and need. I could not determine if they were "brass caps" or not...too much cake on Aussie clay, Florida mud, and rust to make out.

lost: I agree with you and MoCo that finding aftermarket suppliers of the 60020 is probably gonna be tough. Curious to know: from what source are you quoting the years used for each u-joint? Toyodiy? EPC? Or personal knowledge/experience? How about the number of spiders?

If you know for a fact that the earlier setups use 60020's and only use 3 of them, and later setups utilize 10011's and all have 4 of them, then I know which one I have and I need the 60020's!

Or are you just quoting what you're seeing in a catalog?? :confused:

Whew...this has definitely given me one serious headache!! :bang:
 
Okay, just got off the phone with NAPA:

A fairly local store had the PUJ395 in stock, and there were 6 in the Miami warehouse, so they are fairly available.

Had the guy describe and measure the joint so I could compare it to what's on the troopy. He said:

- It's assembled with steel caps already on it
- It has clips on the end caps
- It IS GREASABLE with a grease fitting on one of the end caps (unlike mine, which has the fitting on the main body)
- Overall length, endcap to endcap, is 2.25"
- $25.49 (can also be had HERE for only $16.95, though shipping charges probably apply. Also just noticed that they have the 2.24" measurement right there, so my Napa guy was right on....:))

So we now know that a 10011 can be greasable. What I'd like to find out is the size (length) of the 60020. lostmarbles, do you think you could grab a tape measure and check yours? :hhmm: I measured my yokes on the shaft the best I could, and it looks to me like 2.25" would be just a bit short....more like 2.5"-ish would be right. Now, if the 60020 is like 3" or larger, forget about it...it would have to be 10011....:rolleyes:

Thanks!! :beer:
 
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...Cruiser_guy states HERE the larger 60020 is greasable, whereas the 10011 is not....

Yes 60020 is greaseable and you have to be very careful with your grease gun (and avoid applying anything but LIGHT pressure) because each end-cap has a very efficient O-ring seal. This means that applying grease in the normal way (that you use with any other nipple/zerk on your cruiser) will build up so much pressure that it bulges the outer faces of the bronze caps!

And I know this from personal experience!

.. I could not determine if they were "brass caps" or not...too much cake on Aussie clay, Florida mud, and rust to make out.

:frown:

Scr@pe just one end cap with the blade of a pocket knife and you're done. Why not?

.....from what source are you quoting the years used for each u-joint? Toyodiy? EPC? Or personal knowledge/experience? How about the number of spiders?...

Details of "which part number applies to which years" and "the number of spiders per vehicle" all come from the epc DL.

... What I'd like to find out is the size (length) of the 60020. lostmarbles, do you think you could grab a tape measure and check yours? :hhmm: I measured my yokes on the shaft the best I could, and it looks to me like 2.25" would be just a bit short....more like 2.5"-ish would be right. Now, if the 60020 is like 3" or larger, forget about it...it would have to be 10011....:rolleyes:

Thanks!! :beer:

Just to find it - I have to crawl under my house with a torch and sift around in five large boxes of cruiser stuff DL.

From my perspective, it's much easier for you to scrape the crud off an end-cap to see if it is bronze. :lol: Bronze = 60020!

:beer:
 
Thanks a lot lostmarbles! :rolleyes: Only kidding man - just assumed since you posted a picture of yours out of the box that you had it at "arm's reach" - not buried under the house! :lol:

Okay...My u-joints do indeed have brass caps. So, as long as there aren't 10011's floating around out there with brass caps, I too must need the 60020 joint - so that solves that! :grinpimp:

While I was under there, I spun the drive shaft a bit and tried to determine where the shear pin was. Now, obviously, there is no "hole" there where a pin "fell out". And to be honest, I spun the thing around over and over again and could not figure out where the darn pin was! But I think I'm gonna grab some new u-joints and take the drive shaft off anyway, so when I start taking things apart and pull the yoke and drive shaft off of the winch's input shaft, I'm sure I will be able to find it and drive it out.

As for the shear pin:

From what you describe MoCo, your shear pin probably looks like this:

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From what I understand, the 90240-05004 doesn't come up in the Toyota parts catalog. So basically, the above 90255-04001 seems to be the only factory shear pin that is still available.

So MoCo....you said it fits "loosely"? How loose is it? Would the pin essentially "fall out" if it becomes sheared while winching? Because it seems the pin that was in mine definitely didn't just "fall out". The ends sheared off and left what must be a fairly snug-fitting pin stuck in the "input shaft" of the winch.
Also, I notice that without the shear pin intact, there is a lot of "play" in the drive shaft and the yoke moves quite a bit on the winch "input shaft". With a snug pin, it looks like it would really lock the drive shaft and yoke to the input shaft as one piece and eliminate any play. MoCo, do you notice the 90255-04001 pins looseness causes play at that point?

Just wondering if I should even bother with ordering the shear pins and waiting for them to arrive or if I should just go the bolt route that so many seem to have gone...:confused:
 
Sorry guys, had to put the Dryer back together last night, the seals had gone out and the rollers and the heating element burned out. So that was priority at my house with a 3 year old and a 3 month old in the house.

That is exactly the pin I have. I will spin the shaft tonight and see if there is play at the pin. As I recall it does easily slip in. Should it slip in? Who knows, hole could be a tad worn of course, but by no means was it a tight fit that I can remember. I didn't like the fact that the pin was kind of long, and with two cotter pins on it, it becomes kind of gangly.

Yours is probably smeared just enough from shearing that the pin will not fall out. You should be able to see the holes on the drive shaft half though.

You have to pull the winch to get the u-joint and shaft out right behind the winch, because of the way it passes through front frame member. The winch itself is very heavy.
 
My shear pins slip in easy. It only makes sense it would. The last thing you want to deal with while winching is trying to use a punch to drive out a broken shear.
 
never had an overun problem as soon as the wheels grab i put the t case in neutral and use the winch to wind up the cable.if the winch jumps into gear while you are driving you will have a mess ,i usually leave the winch clutch in neutral also.my brother in law ran over a tire and it hit the winch shifter underneath the truck and he was driving 40 + miles an hour when the hook caught the bumper .oh what a feeling.
 
Ya, I leave the dog clutch dis-engaged on the winch too. I don't have a neutral gate either on the PTO shifter, I found the detent is plenty strong to hold it in neutral. May still make something though, I made a boot for the shifter, as I didn't have the plate anyways. Would like to make a pin that slides within the boot so it still stays sealed up better but locks in neutral.
 
Sorry guys, had to put the Dryer back together last night, the seals had gone out and the rollers and the heating element burned out. So that was priority at my house with a 3 year old and a 3 month old in the house.

Glad to hear you got the dryer back in service! :clap: The :princess: is probably much happier!

That is exactly the pin I have. I will spin the shaft tonight and see if there is play at the pin. As I recall it does easily slip in. Should it slip in? Who knows, hole could be a tad worn of course, but by no means was it a tight fit that I can remember. I didn't like the fact that the pin was kind of long, and with two cotter pins on it, it becomes kind of gangly.
I'm with you on the fact that it looks like it would be pretty "gangly". Definitely interested to see what you have in terms of "play" or movement at the yoke/input shaft/shear pin location....

Yours is probably smeared just enough from shearing that the pin will not fall out. You should be able to see the holes on the drive shaft half though.
Well I certainly have the holes that are empty on the yoke/drive shaft. But looking through the holes on each side of the yoke, I have been unable to spot the actual pin which is still left in the input shaft. Your theory sounds very good though that it could have "smeared" making it difficult to just "fall out"....but what if it's the original pin and the original pin did fit snug?? :confused: No idea. I just wonder if the pins "should" be a little loose, or if they should actually fit snug, requiring a bit of a tap in with a hammer and drift?? Loose sounds smart...who could or would want to be bothered with the amount of work necessary to that kind of pin replacement on the trail? But then again, I worry about the add'l "play" that might be there with a loose shear pin and the add'l issues that might cause at the yoke/input shaft/shear pin joint...:confused:

You have to pull the winch to get the u-joint and shaft out right behind the winch, because of the way it passes through front frame member. The winch itself is very heavy.
Wow - did not know this! Was looking at it last night, and it looked like if I pulled the pillow block off of the frame, it might all come down and apart. So how do people replace that u-joint then? Just disassemble the joint with the shaft mounted and in place? :confused: I definitely don't want to pull the entire winch, that's for sure!



My shear pins slip in easy. It only makes sense it would. The last thing you want to deal with while winching is trying to use a punch to drive out a broken shear.

That makes sense, but see my concerns above...

never had an overun problem as soon as the wheels grab i put the t case in neutral and use the winch to wind up the cable.if the winch jumps into gear while you are driving you will have a mess ,i usually leave the winch clutch in neutral also.my brother in law ran over a tire and it hit the winch shifter underneath the truck and he was driving 40 + miles an hour when the hook caught the bumper .oh what a feeling.

Running the transfer case in 4 low for power at the wheels does seem to make sense, as long as you put it back into neutral as soon as you get traction. Never really considered or heard of anyone winching this way, but it makes sense and could be done as long as you are alert and attentive....which you better be anytime you are winching, anyway! :eek:


Ya, I leave the dog clutch dis-engaged on the winch too. I don't have a neutral gate either on the PTO shifter, I found the detent is plenty strong to hold it in neutral. May still make something though, I made a boot for the shifter, as I didn't have the plate anyways. Would like to make a pin that slides within the boot so it still stays sealed up better but locks in neutral.

Hmmm, never thought of this possibility....guess I always figured the little shifter lock-out gate that comes down over the PTO shifter when in neutral would be sufficient. Maybe I should consider disengaging the winch clutch at the winch itself too?? :confused: What could it hurt? Never thought of the possibility that something I run over could engage the linkage from underneath!



Now, as far as the shear pin options, I found THIS HERE: where there is some talk about Toyota part number 90240-05504. Glenn there describes it as "the upgraded factory shear pin". Now, that thread is 4 years old, but Glenn mentions how at first he was told nothing exists for that part number (which is what I was told), but with a little more digging was able to actually get his hands on some from Vancouver? :hhmm: Wondering if they may still be available and if so, what they might be like in comparison to the 90255-04001 pictured above that MoCo has?? :confused:
 
Just a quick update:

Was able to place an order for the only (4) 04371-60020 u-joints currently in the U.S. Was told that they are not discontinued and should still be available to be ordered from Toyota Japan if I wanted more, but I didn't want to take a chance on future availability and ordered an extra to have on hand, just in case...:D

Also ordered 6 of the only shear pin part number that came up in the Toyota USA system, 90255-04001. As stated in my above post, I would still love to find a way to get my hands on the 90240-05004/90240-05504 70 series shear pin. Again, as noted HERE, this part number was a good part number 4 years ago in Canada and Glenn supposedly got his hands on them. Can anyone help me find out: A) if these are still available in Canada; and B) who I could possibly purchase these from that can ship them to me in the U.S.?

Thanks to all who have chimed in with help thus far! :cheers:
 
Shear pin should not be loose enough to slip out easily.

ALWAYs disengage the winch drum. ALWAYS. ALWAYs!!!!!

pull the spudshaft to replace the join. Easy stuff.


Mark...
 

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