mileage expectations on 200 series LC (1 Viewer)

[spazzyfry123]

2016 with 112k miles here. Just put new tires on it and routine maintenance. Check engine light popped up a couple weeks ago - turns out I didn't click the fuel cap all the way. Cleared the code and good to go. No issues.

 

[ryanCA]

I look at it differently -- the assembly process in both countries is the same, which is a good thing. Yes, that means if the process is bad, both factories are affected.

Got it.

So engineering is all good, but the process is both universally thus the bad motors?

 

[M1911]

Got it.

So engineering is all good, but the process is both universally thus the bad motors?

That was at least the initial story. I'm not sure if it has changed (whether new information has it that the problem was bad components or a design issue). But bad engines have come from both factories, with plenty of reports of failed engines in the Persian Gulf nations and all of their engines came from Japan. Similarly, the recall notice here in the US includes LX 600s, which also have engines built in Japan.

I know people like to criticize quality control from US factories, but that doesn't appear to be the issue in this case.

 

[ryanCA]

That was at least the initial story. I'm not sure if it has changed (whether new information has it that the problem was bad components or a design issue). But bad engines have come from both factories, with plenty of reports of failed engines in the Persian Gulf nations and all of their engines came from Japan. Similarly, the recall notice here in the US includes LX 600s, which also have engines built in Japan.

I know people like to criticize quality control from US factories, but that doesn't appear to be the issue in this case.

I appreciate you clarifying.

 

[M1911]

I appreciate you clarifying.

There is a whole thread on it. I haven't kept up with it since I bought my LX and got off the waitlist for a GX 550: V35A-FTS bearing issue? - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/v35a-fts-bearing-issue.1338492/page-20

 

[Zill]

The big issue I have with the V35A is that engines produced after the supposed fix have been failing as well. To me, I don’t buy the debris issue since they have been changing some part numbers in the engine, with the concerning ones being the #1 and #4 main bearings which have been the ones failing.

Why would they change those specific part numbers if all it was, was a debris cleaning issue?

I’m staying far away from the V35A motor until they truly work out this bug, as a 30k engine replacement out of warranty totals the vehicle.

But hey, the 5.7L 200 has an expected service interval of 300-500k miles so I’m good for quite some time.

 

[ryanCA]

The big issue I have with the V35A is that engines produced after the supposed fix have been failing as well. To me, I don’t buy the debris issue since they have been changing some part numbers in the engine, with the concerning ones being the #1 and #4 main bearings which have been the ones failing.

Why would they change those specific part numbers if all it was, was a debris cleaning issue?

I’m staying far away from the V35A motor until they truly work out this bug, as a 30k engine replacement out of warranty totals the vehicle.

But hey, the 5.7L 200 has an expected service interval of 300-500k miles so I’m good for quite some time.

wow thanks for the info

didnt know how bad it was.

my 200 will turn 300k soon, guess gotta keep it till 500k

 

[Zill]

wow thanks for the info

didnt know how bad it was.

my 200 will turn 300k soon, guess gotta keep it till 500k

They’re not failing as often as the pre “fix” motors, but they are continuing to have issues. We’ll have more data once more miles are racked up on the 2024 models, but I don’t believe Toyota has the issue quite squashed yet.

I do hope that with potential lower CAFE standards in the future (fingers crossed) we can start getting V8’s back in our vehicles.

 

[El Skywalker]

I make the same drive on I-35 from OKC to Texas weekly and my 13 LC would routinely get in the 20-22 mpg range at normal highway speeds (75-85) and my 18 LX (before I sold it) and my 18 LC only gets 18 on a good day. My 600 gets about 22 at 80-85 mph.
I have no idea why the 13 LC (which I should have never gotten rid of) got better mileage than my 18 LC using the same oil and fuel.

Maybe the transmission.

 

[gasman4u]

Sorry, but I would never recommend a RCTIP of 33psi for any LT-Metric tire. Please check your statement and refer me to where you believe I made that recommendation.

TIA

Tire Pressure recommendation

forum.ih8mud.com

Maybe they're pax tires then? The info on the "tire pressure recommendation" thread is accurate.

 

[gaijin]

Tire Pressure recommendation

forum.ih8mud.com

Maybe they're pax tires then? The info on the "tire pressure recommendation" thread is accurate.

Your question was:

@gaijin Would the RCTIP for Michelin Defender LTX M/S 285/60R18 Extra Load 120/H speed rating be 33 psi for a 2021 LE with OEM wheels? Thanks for verification!

That tire is an ISO-Metric XL tire, NOT an LT-Metric tire.

The RCTIP for that ISO-Metric 285/60R18 XL 120H tire is indeed 33psi.

I never recommended 33psi for your LT285/60R18 tires.

Thanks for clarifying your mistake in saying I did.

 

[liv2bike]

310k miles on our 2008. I’ve had in on the CO 4x4 trails and on the highways fully loaded between CO to AL, MI, TN and all the states between. I’ve run it in the hot temps in TX and the spitting ice on the Canadian border. Still getting 17-20 mpg on the highway.

We got our rig from Iowa in 2019. At the time it had 226k miles and a bit of rust underneath.

There are many option for suspension components. Most routine maintenance is doable for the YouTube mechanic. The big items as mentioned above are the starter and radiator. The engine-valley coolant leak is a potential issue but mostly if the engine overheats excessively.

I’d rather take our Cruiser on a long road trip than a Ford F150 with 50k miles.

I have to disagree. My 200 Series is down with a blown motor. 165k miles, Meticulous maintenance since new. Engine grenaded itself. Likely a valve spring. $hit happens. It sucks real bad though. On the other hand, I've got a 2016 F150 with 175k miles that's crisscrossed this country multiple times. Has thousands of miles off pavement deep in the backcountry of the mountain west. I've pushed it hard. It's NEVER let me down. It's our primary camping rig as I have a Go Fast Camper mounted on it.

I'm not so sure I'd agree 100% with your last statement. My Cruiser scenario is definitely not typical. But my 2.7 ecoboost has been damn reliable.

 

[lebanesesurfer]

Interesting video of a couple who bought a 2017 200 series with 300k+ miles and then wound up selling it for whatever reason. I personally haven't see a face-lifted 200 series with that number of miles:

 

[skitym]

I have a 2013 LC with 350,000 miles. Been nothing but great to me. I've done all of the regular maintenance with no issues. I did the radiator, water pump, tubes at around 240,000 miles I believe but only for precautionary purposes. Nothing failed. My driver's side rear bearing did go out and I had fluid leak 2 weeks ago. That was my fault since I kept driving on it. My off road shop replaced both rears and inspected all of the other driveline parts with nothing else affected. Said everything looked great. I will be sending it back to him to replace the front bearings just to be safe.

I would not hesitate to buy one will the miles you are finding as long as you inspect it well. In a few months I will be buying another one in the 2018 and newer range. Most likely will be the LX570 for something different if I can't find a nice white LC.

 

[RT Cruiser]

I have to disagree. My 200 Series is down with a blown motor. 165k miles, Meticulous maintenance since new. Engine grenaded itself. Likely a valve spring. $hit happens. It sucks real bad though. On the other hand, I've got a 2016 F150 with 175k miles that's crisscrossed this country multiple times. Has thousands of miles off pavement deep in the backcountry of the mountain west. I've pushed it hard. It's NEVER let me down. It's our primary camping rig as I have a Go Fast Camper mounted on it.

I'm not so sure I'd agree 100% with your last statement. My Cruiser scenario is definitely not typical. But my 2.7 ecoboost has been damn reliable.

By God's grace we've not had an issues with it on the road. Perhaps your 200 series with a blown motor is on the far extreme of the bell curve. Sorry to hear this. They are amazing vehicles. Did you have a mechanic diagnose what happened and then relay that info to Toyota?

If your F150 has been very durable then hang on to it and drive it till the wheels fall off. I'm not jabbing the F150 in any way. But it is my preference to continue driving our 2008 LC with 310k miles than an American-branded vehicle with 50k miles. If I had an American-branded vehicle with 175k miles that was very durable, I'd hand on to it for a long time.

FYI - don't drive and park your F150 anywhere near Denver. They are highly sought after by auto thieves.

 

[2021 LC200]

You can get as much as you want of a 200/201 series as long as you address all the known failure points in the 100-200K range (radiator on pre-18, water pump & starter or early builds, cam tower, and coolant valley) and keep the car in a dry climate away from road salt and other corrosive elements. These didn't turn out to be 100 series bulletproof from a powertrain perspective (and those still have their pains), but the UR series is a lower-maintenance engine and had to comply with stricter emissions standards. Still about as perfect of a compromise that I think the market will appreciate when the 300/310's get up their in age and mileage and the comparatively outrageous overengineering of the V35A (turbos, dual radiator, dual intake, etc) and complexity make these simple and easy to own in comparison.

Spot on!

 

[HighRanch]

I’ve done it many times and obtained 21-22mpg with our 2008 fully loaded.

It’s easy at higher altitude where I live in CO. Several factors are involved such as altitude, air temperature, humidity, tire psi, if there’s added exterior stuff like aftermarket bumpers, if there is no front nor cross wind.

Cold dry air is denser than warm humid air. So I usually get about 17-18mpg in the CO winter than in it’s summer months.

Unlike most American drivers, I don’t quickly accelerate from a stop and I coast into stops. It’s a rare occurrence I’ll push the rpm’s past 3.5k

The only after market parts are a cb radio and antenna. Tires are Yokohama Geolander G015 at 33psi.

I use Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy which has given my Cruiser a slight increase in mpg. I regularly grease the zerks, have a clean engine air filter, change the plugs approx 50k, and change the tranny fluid approx 35k.

Gas octane is the lowest at the pump.

Usually my highway speed is around 70-75.

There’s a sweet spot where going about 70-75 will yield a higher mpg than 50mp.

There have been times I’ve filled up at the TX/NM state line and achieved 21-22mph returning home to Highlands Ranch, CO, going 75mph. I’ve seen 20-21mpg in other states.

1. Driving style.
2. Weather conditions.
3. Altitude.
4. After market items.
5. Tire type and psi.
6. Maintenance.

Hey HR....had to reply!
Live off Venneford Ranch and have a 2016 LC200 in Magnetic Grey with 10th Mtn Div Plates!

 

[RT Cruiser]

Live off Venneford Ranch and have a 2016 LC200 in Magnetic Grey with 10th Mtn Div Plates!

I might have seen your rig! We live in Tresana, University and Colorado. Our 2008 is red... that is when it is washed. If you see on impeding Highlands Ranch traffic by staying at or under the speed limit, it's probably me

 

[Cycletroll]

I got 18.7 in my 2020 LX. Almost all highway, mostly 70 - 72 mph. That was a 200 mile trip.

But I agree that 20 mpg is unlikely. Maybe a steady 55 mph?

I just did 378mi (Albuquerque to Colorado Springs and back) each way at 75-80mph up (21mpg) and 80-85mph back (19.3mpg) in my 2013 LX570 (95,000mi). Hand calculated mileage 88octane. 275/65/18 Defender 116T P-metrics @33psi. My son & myself and 100lbs cargo. I routinely get 19-20mpg and have achieved 24mpg @60-65mph. FWIW the 275/65/18 Defenders are the perfect tire and yield dead on speedo readings and quiet, smooth ride. My avg DD MPG in and around Albuquerque tends to be 14.7 to 17mpg. For a 3-ton Full-time AWD luxury SUV with close to 400hp I feel it is quite reasonable gas mileage.
In the 1st 95k I've done two sets of tires, a water pump (under warranty) rotors and pads at all four corners; 5k oil changes; AHC fluid change @ 60k; Trans drain&fill every 30k; all other fluids at same interval and the LX still drives like a new car with nary a squeak or rattle!
Will do spark plugs, serpentine belt/tensioner/pulley, radiator, hoses, & AHC accumulators at the end of August and she'll be ready for the next 100k! I plan on driving this one until I'm done driving which should be north of 400k

 

[2021 LC200]

Looks like we are mixing total mileage driven vs fuel consumption in miles per gallon, that is fine ofcourse.

Cycletroll, in NM do they still sell a lot of ethanol free gasoline? They used to but my last visit that seems not the case anymore. Overall interesting the Michelin Defenders are so efficient, for even with ethanol free gas the MPG you get is remarkable.