MAF's shackle reversal kit for FJ60/62

[Tapage]

Tapage, you fixed your camber issue with the SR conversion..

You think that it was better than getting a Spring lift and running shorter shackles to return your caster to proper specs???

Camber and caster are to diferent things .. I haven't any ( in any time ) camber issue in my HJ-60 ..

The caster issue is very important, in any lift, when you turn your diff up, to get a proper front drive shaft angle ..

In the past when I had SU configuration, I need to use the shims that comes with the kit, to get a proper caster degrees.

The original caster of my HJ-60 comes btw .84 to 2.43 positive caster always.

 

[Mace]

I understand that camber and caster are differt issues. Typo, my mistake.

What I am asking is this;
Do you think your truck rides better because of the SR or because you returned the caster to a positive number instead of the neg that you achieved when you went to longer shackles?

Basically do you think your rig rides better with a SR than with the conventional shackle arrangement? And why?

 

[Spook50]

Okay so I did some research on the geometry of the front suspension's layout, and decided against the SR, for now. So at this point it's just new bushings all around (sway bars included), greasable shackle pins, and the add-a-leafs from MAF.

 

[Tapage]

Basically do you think your rig rides better with a SR than with the conventional shackle arrangement? And why?

Your asnwer: Yes .. !

with shackle reversar the ride is much smooth than stock shackle position, why, easy, your front diff, not attack any more the holes and irregularity in the road ( or trail ! ) it absorb ..! with the retract capabilities that grant the Shackle Reversal configuration ..

 

[Mace]

In a SO configuration your springs are generally flat. The axle actualy has to move forward, or into the bump, to flex or droop..

spring under, the axle does have to move forward.. But it is a VERY small amount.

The people that notice the most improvment with SR's are because they are replacing the bushings/steering at hte same time.

There is a Reason Toyota and Jeep (till the 90's) used the shackle forward design.

 

[Tapage]

There are 2 diferent things in ..

SO and SR .. one can work with the other, and the effects are equal by the SR in both.

 

[Mace]

I have no idea what you are saying...



Another thing to krrp in mind. Most lifts tend to create a vertical shackle. if you go to the trouble of relocating the shackle hanger (45* commonly works well) the ride is SO much better..

SR kits typically take this into account. which leads to a better ride..

 

[Tapage]

IN MAF SR configuration ( for 60 series ) you put the new ( little ) shackles in the rear ( stock hanger ) position, and the new fixed pin braket on front ..

I thought longer springs ( long leaf ) give us better ride and flex, but also you need more longer shackles, and at this point you need to do some serios modificaction on the MAF SR kit, with it's short shakles ..

P.S. sorry if sometimes I write strange, is my poor english.

 

[peepers]

Im glad this topic came up. I run 33'' TSL's which rub up front when the truck is articulating. Would it be a good idea to do a SR even if my truck is still SUA? I have OME (heavy) springs and no extended shackles in the rear.
thanks,
mark

same here mark... i opted NOT to do it because of the mounting point of my ARB bumper, and the fact the the drive shaft gets compressed in a different manner....

 

[Tapage]

same here mark... i opted NOT to do it because of the mounting point of my ARB bumper, and the fact the the drive shaft gets compressed in a different manner....

SR by MAF have no problems with ARB bull bar .. check this out .

SR kit + 2.5" suspension + ARB bumper ..

 

[Tinker]

Everyone with the SR defends it, but no one's taken on Jim C. on the theory of operation of the stock setup & the issue of increased load on the front frame horns with the SR.

Mace's observation that most of the improvement experienced with the SR is due to new bushings would be hard to deny.

Maybe we should have separate forums for "Orthodox Toyota", "Reform Toyota", and "Outright Contrarianism" (just a few to start)? Jump in, Mod Mike!