Land Rover 110 vs Land Cruiser 70

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the Tractor is on its way Louis, so soon enough we can put your statements to the test...

it will be interesting putting a PZ up against a HZ, short wheelbase verse long wheel base, tractor tires vs mud tires and 4.56 vs 4.3...

LOL!!
i just hope i don't have to get tugged too often...
 
lshobie said:
There are actually other things that are more important than what you are saying, you can be locked on all 4's, but if you aren't aired down you will not have near as much traction, suspension articulation, gearing, and all kinds of things are just as important. So in reality the test is far from scientific, and the bottom line is that no two trucks are alike.
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crushers said:
the Tractor is on its way Louis, so soon enough we can put your statements to the test...

it will be interesting putting a PZ up against a HZ, short wheelbase verse long wheel base, tractor tires vs mud tires and 4.56 vs 4.3...

LOL!!
i just hope i don't have to get tugged too often...
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don't forget to make a video ! :popcorn:
 
Oh there will be lots of video!

Will be fun, both have their advantages and disadvantages, but both mainly have advantages:)

I'm in snowmobile mode right now while the weather is still warm - rebuilding 3 of them. Once I get those done I can get back to the cruiser.
 
boys and their toys, Dad is trying to get me to pick up a couple sleds... not sure yet. don't want new but i have been out of the sledding mentality for 30 years... what is the best bang for the buck...
 
If you like comfort and the ability to go everywhere:) then go for a newer tundra or scandic, everything else is fast but leaves you stuck in the deep stuff. I have 2 tundras and 4 elans. I am building a 400 elan longtrack - all aluminum.
 
Personally I like Kawasaki.... you can get them very cheap and most parts you can still find fairly easily.... If you look at some of the innovations kawasaki made back in the early 80's with sleds. K line chassis to eliminate drive belt misalignment, the craziest piston ported sleds ever made, twin plugs per cylinder (on some models) an amazing oil injection system that lubes both cylinders and a dedicated line for the crank case....

Never been much of a doo fan... Other than there rotary valve engines I've never been impressed... When ever I get into DEEP stuff I usually find myself alone very quickly only to find the Doo's are stuck.... but maybe that's because Kawasaki's were built and tested on Kawasaki lake in Lincon Nybraska... I've slowed right down to a crawl before just to watch others tracks dig and in sink while I just putt along...
Of course Kawasaki stopped making sleds in 1982/83 but still made motors for John deere, and Artic cat almost till the 90's.... Alot of polaris innovative designs were boughten from kawasaki when they sold there line up... Early Indy's are very similar to Kawasaki Invaders....

Anyway sorry for the ramble, just trying to addict someone else to an amazing vintage sled that was WAY before it's time....

I'm actually on the cover of a new nintendo Wii game with this pic (this is actually just my 340 fan) I also have a 440 liquid, twin pipe, twin carb, two plugs per cylinder, makes 83hp...
driften.webp
 
LOL, Eric, please come to my camp this winter in northern quebec with your kawasaki, I'd like to see it break trail for my tundra:)

I agree about engine designs, personally I love the yamaha engines, if skidoo would build a sled with a yamaha engine I would be all over it. The only real problem with finding a sled that meets my needs is that no one makes anything in a light longtrack other than the yamaha bravo - and it has no suspension at all - I need suspension for when my back starts to give out. I just have the elans for fun as I can put 3 in the back of my truck and bring the family out for some bumblebee zipping around. My 1987 tundra is a workhorse that is pretty much unstoppable in 4 feet of powder in the bush.


I am currently restoring an elan 300SS twin with slider suspension and an all aluminum elan with a 399 rotax with a tundra suspension, the engine only produces about 26 or 28 hp but it has tons of torque which will be fun in the bush and a great ice fishing sled. The 300SS I am building just because it weighs 220 pounds and it is a little rocket ship.

Kawasaki - lol, funny, so good they only made them for 2 years:)
 
My drifter was rebuilt for the first time 3 years ago once again it's a 79... Kawasaki always was an engine company.... I'm not a big fan of new sleds, all the suspension, all the plastic parts, the expense...no thanks.... My 440 LTD is almost not even fun it's so pipey and fast.... I hate driving it in tight trails.... in my opinion nothing beats a small twin cylinder 2 stroke that only rev's to 6500rpm.... good on gas, nice torque, and usually really smooth clutch engagement.... my 440 is the opposite of all of that...

Land Cruisers so good they stopped selling them in Canada in 1986 :)
 
I see there is a kawi for sale in TO a 440 on the antique snow mobile board.

I know what you mean about the new sleds with all the parts, but after a day of banging around on an old sled it is nice to hop on my RF platform 2006 tundra, you actually sit on it like a dirt bike not all bent up like the old sleds - a very nice machine to drive. I bought it 3 years ago and have driven it maybe 6 times - should last me until there is no more snow on the planet.
 
hahaha I know long ride definitaly can hurt sitting the way you do on older sleds... truthfully I much rather my knee on the seat when I'm floating through deep drifts... I have an newer el tigre in the shed too, although it doesn't get ridden much the damn thing weighs a ton.... Well I'm glad at least one other person is praying for snow....

I'm hoping it starts dumping early november :)
cheers
 
Damn ,wish we had a snow . Ive only ever seen one of those sleds from a distance in summer.
Its mid spring and 35c so I guess it wont snow this year:D
 
sounds like NA muscle straight line acceleration vs the Japanese imports that can accelerate but also corner at speed.
 
lshobie said:
You are welcome to come and visit here this winter Ross, I have a few you can choose from:) The acceleration of the new sleds is staggering, not much else compares.
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Love to do that one day,might even bring a cruiser with me:D
I still do have a few pages on my road atlas that need to ruffled,mainly north queensland and tassie;)
 
Land Rover makes a great truck. I'd say that it is top-three along with Landcruisers and Patrols. Based solely on how many old 4wd rigs I see rolling around Costa Rica. Samurai is up there too, but hasn't had 50 years to prove itself.

Personally- I prefer Landcruiser. That's what I drive. I find the ergonomics of the Defender to be every bit as unpleasant as the body-shape is great-looking. The motor is much noisier than a comparable 70-series Cruiser. The Rangie is a great truck, all the way around. Looks good, drives well, not too loud. I like the high vantage point seating and ample glass to see around. But again- I find the controls/ergonomics to be counter-intuitive and just plain wonky.

I do like the way Rover puts the window controls in the center vs. on the door (in a cruiser). It keeps them dry. Where I am, it rains.... HARD. Every time I open the door to get in/out, my window controls get drenched. Not surprisingly, they don't work that great. Annoying.

A good friend of mine has a very nice 40 and a Camel Trophy disco (he placed 2nd in 96) and a Range Rover. He is a huge fan of traction control in the newer Land Rovers but is the first to say that dual lockers will outperform traction in some situations (most notably sand, deep mud, deep snow). BUT, for rock-crawling and for light ice and for highly-variable terrain, he prefers the traction control because A) you don't have to do anything, just drive B) it puts less strain on the drivetrain- less chance of grenading a joint and C) it is less likely to tear up the trail.

In the end, it is sorta silly to call either Rover or Cruiser a "bad" design. They are both clearly very well engineered. Just different.
 
i remember Dad had an old Snow Cruiser 30 years ago, it had chain drive reverse, sloooow and heavy but you could pick your way through the trees in a bush almost as good as walking.

then speed took over and the sleds lost the ability (as far as i can tell)... this all said i really wish i would have tackled "high marking" in BC while i lived out west. that looked like a hoot but when they roll $$$$$

with snow already hitting here maybe i will go find me another sled...
 
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