Land Rover 110 vs Land Cruiser 70

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Eric Winkworth said:
Land Rover is owned by ford now isn't it? They always seemed like such a she she poo poo truck.... Of course I have seen some old defenders still in action, funny tho there aluminum bodies don't seem to be in the best shape.... I really don't think anything compares to a well maintained cruiser and if you live in a part of the world that you're exposed to salt you have to do the preventive maintence to stop the rust aluminum body or not... and in my opinion traction control can't be compared to a factory diff LOCK... although it maybe more on road friendly....
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well as far as the bodies go , theres tons of old 60's rovers in the bush around here that are pretty much fine. cruisers in the same boat, there's not much left.


Preventative maintenance or no, when I bought my 79 bj40 from the original owner, he had a brochure from toyota when he bought it.

the quote was , " Toyota Fights Rust For You, 2 Year Anti Perforation Warranty"


thats a warranty that you wont have rust HOLES within 2 years. just rust.

Anyways, no question rovers are mostly s***, not arguing that for a second.

Just wish toyota had stolen the aluminum body idea too.
 
there are a few things Toyota could have borrowed from other makes...
 
Just be glad Toyota didn't borrow Lucas, the prince of darkness!!

Here in Central America where both Toyota and Land Rover are available most folks gravitate to Toyota.
 
it's been proven to me that a yearly undercoating of krown really does stop rust on steel.... my truck looks a lot less rusty than it did when I bought it.... and it doesn't seem to be coming back.....


as for toyota's 2 year warrenty, my truck is now 22yrs old and without yearly rust check's and krown it would be in the landfill

ever seen what an aluminum body does when you hit something? can you actually pull the dent out?
 
""looks a lot less rusty than it did when i bought it"
the fountain of youth in a can...
 
Hi All:

Sure, the alum. bodies of the old Series Land Rovers survive, but look at the steel parts underneath - like the frame and firewall, and you will find the same kind of rot as an old Land Cruiser (or Chevy, or Ford, or Mazda, etc.)

Lets face it, the manufacturers want you to buy a new rig every decade or so. If you still have that 1991 80 Series you bought new, it is time for your to get a new 200 Series! :D

Regards,

Alan

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seapotato said:
well as far as the bodies go , theres tons of old 60's rovers in the bush around here that are pretty much fine. cruisers in the same boat, there's not much left.
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Josie'sLandCruiser said:
Hi All:

Sure, the alum. bodies of the old Series Land Rovers survive, but look at the steel parts underneath - like the frame and firewall, and you will find the same kind of rot as an old Land Cruiser (or Chevy, or Ford, or Mazda, etc.)

Lets face it, the manufacturers want you to buy a new rig every decade or so. If you still have that 1991 80 Series you bought new, it is time for your to get a new 200 Series! :D

Regards,

Alan



as I said, rovers are mostly s***. that includes frames, which is why I'm not using a rover frame, or any wiring or mechanicals. all pretty crappy.

I am however, quite happy to have only two pieces of flat angular steel in my camping/project truck that are easy to work on.



If I lived in a place where there was no rust, i wouldn't be using rover body parts on a cruiser. simple as that.

but when a 60 with rust is 5 grand , and a rust free aluminum body is 500, decisions easy for me.
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ever seen what an aluminum body does when you hit something? can you actually pull the dent out?
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My Grandfather had a Rover that took some hits and got its share of dents. To make a long story short, it was hard to repair dented (or bent) aluminum, and it was better to buy the whole piece. Grandfather got tired of this and changed the good old Rover for an FJ40, and never looked back. Wish I still had it but that is another story.

A friend of mine, formerly the proud owner of a 1995 Defender 110, had the same problem with the aluminum body, and also had a few bitter exchanges with his dealer regarding service, parts, or both, much like RoscoFJ73 writes. Moreover, the dealer in question resented my friend's visits in T-shirts and Jeans, which (from what you could see in the service representative's face) supposedly annoyed expensively dressed Discovery/Range Rover owners. In the end he got tired of the poor support and sold his Defender early this year. He concluded that although the Defender was good, it was a maintenance nightmare.

For a while I thought of a Defender 90, but my friend's experience and some numbers on maintenance disuaded me. Just like the Mercedes G-Class. A fine car if you are willing to endure scarce yet expensive parts, even costlier maintenance and arrogant sales/support people. Not worth the complications, I think.

Regarding the Land Cruiser, you can get parts almost anywhere and vendors will not care about what you are wearing. Rust aside, maintenance is not a concern. If only we could protect all that steel body permanently...:hhmm:





Juan
 
hoser said:
As of earlier this year, Land Rover is now owned by Tata of India. I'm curious to see what happens.
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I wish one of the Japanese car companies ,Isuzu perhaps,had of bought LR. Then the Defender could get big gutsy turbodiesels, Aisan running gear and Denso electronics:D
 
JuanJ said:
Regarding the Land Cruiser, you can get parts almost anywhere and vendors will not care about what you are wearing. Rust aside, maintenance is not a concern. If only we could protect all that steel body permanently...:hhmm:

Juan
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We can once a year oiling.... I'm telling ya if you are using the right product you can STOP rust.... Too many people use products with asphalt and rubberized rocker gaurd that makes rust worse.... a good clean oil is best... my truck had 5 rust check stickers on it when I bought it, since then it's been krowned 4 times in 3 and 1/2 years... Nothing I hate more then bolts that are siezed from rust... I've kind of gotten use to having oil up to my elbows everytime I have to touch my truck.... which recently hasn't been much :)

cheers
 
Eric,
just playing with yah, no harm intended...
but
if you ever do find the fountain of youth for a Land Cruiser, you could make a million...
Eric Winkworth said:
Well of course some of it may be the spots I cut out and welded new metal in, but I just mean it's keeping the welds clean and basically has stopped all rust
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We can once a year oiling.... I'm telling ya if you are using the right product you can STOP rust.... Too many people use products with asphalt and rubberized rocker gaurd that makes rust worse.... a good clean oil is best... my truck had 5 rust check stickers on it when I bought it, since then it's been krowned 4 times in 3 and 1/2 years... Nothing I hate more then bolts that are siezed from rust... I've kind of gotten use to having oil up to my elbows everytime I have to touch my truck.... which recently hasn't been much :)
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Hello Eric,

Thanks for the advise. Nothing like a good clean oil to keep rust at bay, that is true.

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if you ever do find the fountain of youth for a Land Cruiser, you could make a million...
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I agree with Crushers.






JuanJ
 
I do have to say though, that the majority of people who comment on videos on youtube average in age of about 12 and probably have never driven anything in their life and live in the suburbs and have never seen a single fire road let alone good off roading, I have never been in a single dealership in Honolulu that didn't treat you like you were a pile of garbage unless you came in dressed decently nice (minimum of a nice BUTTONED UP AND TUCKED IN aloha shirt and slacks with nice shoes) or in a military uniform, and then they try to make things up when you, dressed in a pair of shorts, a t-shirt, and sandals flash a military ID for treating you so rudely. Otherwise they treated you like some moron who didn't know anything about a car or truck. Now out on the east side of the island where there's more farms and a slower more rural feel, they're nicer, and don't really care what you show up dressed like, but then again, there's no luxury car dealerships there either. But overall, I do have to say, I have been treated nicest by the Nissan dealers on the island because there's only one chain of dealers in Hawai`i that sell Toyotas, so they know you're going to have to come to them if you want to buy a brand new Toyota.

To make that massive block of writing short, it all depends on where you're at and who you talk to. And yes, LR dealers tend to dislike Defender drivers because they go to PARTS not SERVICES offices and dress like they actually do something for a living compared to Rangie and Disco owners who don't... usually.
 
tires are more important than whether a truck has lockers or not.
if you have half worn out mudders agaisnt brand new of the same brand it will make a difference.

driver capabiity makes a huge difference. lockers can make an inexperienced driver look like a pro but a good driver with open can still make a lockered vehicle with a inexperienced driver look... inexperienced.

where the Rovers running the same tires as you Louis?
 
No, not the same tires, and I'll agree and disagree with your statement that tires are more important than lockers. Even a truck with bald tires and lockers will get out of a situation where the 3 tire in the air will move - you can have the best tires in the world but if there is no locker and the drive tire are in the air you are toast - and yes of course that boils down to driver skill - but not always.

As the for the rovers, the yellow ones centre diff was malfunctioning so he had no power to the rear tires and something was wrong with the rear suspension. In JL's defence in the white rover, it is a 6bt powered truck with toyota axles, the rear e locker magnets came off the housing. Jl's tires are crappy military michelins and the yellow rover are newer Mud tires.

In any event tires matter on that hill but with the type of terrain it is it can render the most aggressive tires useless - smooth rock with loon s*** on top and a very steep angle that you can't gather from the video. I don't think your tractor tires would be very good on that hill - there are areas that you have to traverse sideways.

I had only a rear locker in that video at the time.

Louis
 
Louis,
i am not saying it wasn't impressive but all things equal which would be better traction aid to a vehicle.
a select locker will win hands down on a DD that see the bush.
a full time locker ie welded is great on abush truck since there is very few moving parts...
and lockers on a street only vehicle is a waste of money.

the hummer locker and the Rover locker is better than nothing... i guess.
 
There are actually other things that are more important than what you are saying, you can be locked on all 4's, but if you aren't aired down you will not have near as much traction, suspension articulation, gearing, and all kinds of things are just as important. So in reality the test is far from scientific, and the bottom line is that no two trucks are alike.
 
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