Land Cruiser Vs. Range Rover

[Terrax]

What do you guys think is the best suv off-road. Hummer? G -wagon? TLC?

A horse, just kidding. I would say for all around (reliability, maintenance, wheeling, toughness, parts availability, cool looks) the CRUISER.

 

[PHAEDRUS]

cruiserhead,
glad I didnt hurt your feel bads,
as to the best ever honestly I would have to say it depends on the terrain. let the range/land rover types think they are superior. or wait until mommy and daddy arent paying the ongodly repair bills for them and then see where you are. the funnest thing ever is to take the sticker price of a 94 disco II a 94 rangie and a 94 lc. find the retail msrp of each new, now divide each by what it is worth now. fidn out wich one holds its value the best. I doubt you will be surprised.
Dave

 

[cruiserdan]

The "real" Humvee (Milspec) is a very competent vehicle. It has to be. The US military has the finest equipment available. It is too large to be an effective "rock crawler" but that is not at all what it was designed to do. It is damn good at it's intended purpose.

The H2 is a rip-off of a respected military vehicle and is designed to make money.

 

[cary]

[quote author=AZcruiser link=board=2;threadid=14751;start=msg138514#msg138514 date=1081895293]
The guy who owns it says its a buick motor, so it makes him stupid! Although he had a D1 version too.
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Actually, it makes you sound stupid because he is correct.

The v-8 used in all land rovers (including the current models) and the range rover up to 2002, is what used to be called a Buick 215 aluminium block (was 215 cubic inches). These motors were used by Buick in the early 60s and then the rights and casting equiptment were sold to rover.

The 2003 up Range Rover uses a version of the BMW M60 V-8 modified for better low end torque and different oil pickups. With the change in ownership of Rover from BMW to Ford, there is an agreement under which Ford will continue to purchase Motors and other parts from BMW for a time.

 

[bad_religion_au]

if it's abmw motor, does that mean it doesn't leak as much?

 

[Steve C]

I've got a very simular bmw motor in my bmw. It's a fantastic engine and dosn't leak anything. However, toyota makes great engines also.

 

[bad_religion_au]

hey, i'll never say toyota doesn't make a great engine... i was comparing to land rover engines. but toyota has it's fair share of oil leaks, i know, i own two of them, they just don't seem to slow them down.

 

[cruiserman]

[quote author=cruiserdan link=board=2;threadid=14751;start=msg138720#msg138720 date=1081911115]
The "real" Humvee (Milspec) is a very competent vehicle. It has to be. The US military has the finest equipment available. It is too large to be an effective "rock crawler" but that is not at all what it was designed to do. It is damn good at it's intended purpose.

The H2 is a rip-off of a respected military vehicle and is designed to make money.
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Surely AM General are making some money on their $107k H1.

Offroad ability is all about the driver.

 

[ginericLC]

I think you guys are forgetting that a lot of driving skill can be overcome by having a good spotter. If your spotter knows what to do and can communicate it to you effectively things will go well. I trashed a perfectly good driveshaft on a not too tough obstacle because my spotter didn't know what he was doing. He spotted me right into my driveshaft. Of course, if a driver is so good that they don't need a spotter then I guess this wouldn't matter.

 

[PHAEDRUS]

many time I have cursed not having a spotter to get over things. I have never cursed my spotter well except when you get multiple spotters that is oh so much fun.
Dave

 

[IdahoDoug]

When I'm asked to spot by someone, I have 2 cardinal rules:

1 - The driver's eyes are on me at all times. Look away and I'll shout "stop" and we start all over again.
2 - If a bystander starts yelling out advice, I throw rocks at them until they shut up.

Works out great and I rarely throw rocks more than once on a trip. Word gets around quickly.

DougM