Land Cruiser vs Cyber Truck

[Angelo1]

Maybe He’s targeting government “military” contracts and his current design product is mobile super charging trailers to refuel in the battlefield.

It looks like something I drew in my 3rd grade art class or most of us drew when we didn’t have drawing skills.

 

[Madtiger]

Stats aside, this thing is hideous. When I look at what I would legitimately use a truck for, I couldn’t even fathom rolling up to a horse show or hunt in this with the oversized Clydesdale trailer on the back. I would be mortified. Hopping in and out in muddy boots, checking fence, toting hay, grain, lumber, dead beasties? Nope. Not in this. I’d rather have a $1000 beater.

well does anyone really need $85k LC when a 4Runner can do the same? I am sure that this thing can handle muddy boots, hay or beasties just as well as F150.

it may do things even better than F150. More towing. You can run your favorite electrical tool for hours. More room inside. More practical storage. No rust. More clearance. Air suspension. More comfy. More towing. Far Less maintenance.

the rest is an image problem that you have that has nothing to do with functionality.

 

[Madtiger]

Since this is the tech section.. how do we think these things will off-road?

Obviously electric power offers a ton of potential in traction control schemes, but is there any hope of this thing having the suspension travel and articulation needed for the off-roading we do? Let alone durability? The ball bearing incident obviously didn’t go well.. what happens when someone sets the bottom down hard on a sharp rock?

Air suspension could be made to work a lot like AHS and if set up right help a lot with articulation.. but the amount of travel seems critical. And based on the pictures, there doesn’t seem to be much up travel allowed.

The ball bearing was an oops. But would any other car window do better???? Likely, the ball would have went thru the glass!

Cybertruck glass at least stopped it. Of course, this was pre-production glass.

The bottom of truck is not made of glass. Likely the bottom will be thick SS metal. Unless the suspension arms are made of noodles, the underbody likely will be stronger than most cars.

and given that there is not much underneath, it will be very clean underneath!

With triple motor, it is likely that this thing will have locking diff front and rear. So, even with limited suspension travel, this thing will be capable.

Think of the torque multiplication!! Electric motors. Torque galore.

 

[bloc]

The ball bearing was an oops. But would any other car window do better???? Likely, the ball would have went thru the glass!

Cybertruck glass at least stopped it. Of course, this was pre-production glass.

The bottom of truck is not made of glass. Likely the bottom will be thick SS metal. Unless the suspension arms are made of noodles, the underbody likely will be stronger than most cars.

and given that there is not much underneath, it will be very clean underneath!

With triple motor, it is likely that this thing will have locking diff front and rear. So, even with limited suspension travel, this thing will be capable.

Think of the torque multiplication!! Electric motors. Torque galore.

Why would you need locking diffs with three motors? On the single-motor axle they'll probably just put something like Atrac on it anyway, where the brakes avoid the extra wheel spin. But on the dual-motor axle there is literally zero reason to lock the non-existent diff. And what torque multiplication? Will there be a low range? or just three motors?

Suspension travel is about more than traction.. it's about stability and trying to not end up on your lid.

No one said the underside was glass. I implied if they can't put an "unbreakable" glass window that can deal with a ball bearing on an enormous stage with the whole world watching, how well will whatever they put on the bottom protect the battery? It might have gone through a regular window.. but maybe not. I stood and watched a fair-sized police officer beat the ever living hell out of a passenger side window with a night stick trying to break it.. then walked up with a tiny window punch and had it out in a second. It is amazing what will bounce off a regular window depending on where you hit it and how solid it is in the frame. But that's beside the point.. regular windows aren't supposed to stand up to that abuse, but this truck is. The bottom will be designed to stand up to abuse, but I predict some of us surpassing that design limit.

It's obvious people are ordering these things, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people that actually use their trucks like trucks had a good laugh and will keep buying Ford/Chevy/Ram/Toyota.

 

[afgman786]

well does anyone really need $85k LC when a 4Runner can do the same? I am sure that this thing can handle muddy boots, hay or beasties just as well as F150.

it may do things even better than F150. More towing. You can run your favorite electrical tool for hours. More room inside. More practical storage. No rust. More clearance. Air suspension. More comfy. More towing. Far Less maintenance.

the rest is an image problem that you have that has nothing to do with functionality.

With towing, I highly doubt this will do better than a conventional truck with ICE. You power it will take to tow drastically kills the battery levels because they are working so much harder. Unless the batteries they are creating for the new truck is totally different.. but there's a video from the TFL guys using their model X to tow and shows how much battery it kills when you throw a trailer out back.

 

[JohnJB]

Celebrate your Cybertruck love this holiday season!

 

[RET2]

Haha oh man here we go. I say go for it, you need both!

PS. How funny was it both windows break during the demo and he has to present the rest of the show looking all sad.

Not to mention the dude throwing the objects throws like a 12 yr old girl. Musk has to be totally detached (loaded) from reality to showcase this abomination.

 

[Reckless]

I love this abomination! I love how they thought outside the box and are doing something different. My only qualm is I wish it was bigger and had more seats. Also, steering wheel isn't my cup of tea. I also like how it doesn't have any badging/logos, sort of an ultra clean look. This kind of looks like the future of cars to me with angular lines and cold rolled steel. Hopefully everyone else hates it so I can be one of the few driving one. It would bother me if I saw 100,000 of these on the road next to me like Model 3s. I can't tell them apart.

I do share the concern of how offroadable its going to be. Atleast won't have to worry about pinstriping or car washes. I just saw autopilot is included so I'm happy saving some more money.

 

[RET2]

Swing and a miss IMHO. It's not a truck by any stretch of the imagination. The claim of being able to tow 300k is absurd as well. Electric may be the future but dangling shiny objects as solutions potentially harms the concept and development of a marketable
product. Clearly Elon doesn't color inside the lines which is ok but given his success in the electric vehicle market this attempt was not his best day. I wish him success.

 

[40Man]

I like the Bollinger better, but the 200 mile range sort of kills it.

 

[slipkid13]

Perhaps you need to chill out, Valium maybe? This guys entitled to his opinion just like you are. And he’s not 100% wrong. Tesla has had exactly one profitable quarter I believe. In fact they have lost many millions of their investors money to this point. And they are deeply in the red. In fact, one could argue the only reason they’re still around is because of the government tax kickbacks.

There isn't enough Valium to chill that guy out. he believes cause he says it then it must be true. Telsa has lost billions and taken billions in taxpayer money. Tesla is a niche market, it's 1% market share bears it out. 7 of the top 10 selling vehicles in America are trucks/SUVs/CUVs. That is a fact. Sedans are dying, that is a fact. No else has a mainstream EV because they lose money, Tesla bears that out. ONE positive quarter doesn't erase a decade of losing quarters. It's share prices are completely unrelated to profitability, if they were they would be trading at 0.

I am stating facts, dude is stating his emotions.

 

[bemerritt]

Fact: I like it

 

[slipkid13]

Valium...sure, you prescribe me some? I hear street prices are pretty high....i can resell it to fund me for future LC parts!

Actually, he is wrong on all counts. Elon is full of it, he says...a few things (as noted above in my post), but he has delivered on his car's performance and capability. Tesla cars cannot sell...well, Model 3 is quite popular and Tesla sales have been good recently. No one is jumping into electric cars.....well, actually, with exception of maybe Toyota (who is always late to party), everyone is jumping into electric. Tesla has not made profit....they have the last quarter.

Now, as for losing millions of their investors' money.......until this truck unveiling, their stock prices were quite high......i am sure that their investors are pretty happy at this time. In fact, according to stock analysts, Tesla stock future is quite rosy.

Other car manufacturers have never had bailouts????

When Ford or GM or Mercedes came into existence, their own country didn't support them? You're comparing a very new company trying to claw itself into existence against old stalwarts that have been around for decades........and in that short time, Tesla has scared the living daylights out of these old stalwarts.

I was not a huge fan of Tesla.....always thought of them as one trick pony......0-60 times. BUT, after reading MotorTrend's recent comparo where the Model 3 absolutely destroyed the BMW 3-series with M-package in overall performance, i have to tip my hat to them. BMW 3 has always been a driver's car...a car that sets the standard for its class...getting killed by an unknown from nowhere on its own turf (handling) is quite a feat IMHO. Look at Porsche new electric......ONLY 7-8 YEARS later is there a car that can match Model S performance! Look at Ford new Mustang SUV.......look how far behind it is from the Model X or even Model Y.

Stop passing your opinion of as fact. Who, exactly has Tesla "scared the living daylights" out of? GM? Ford? Ford has given up on cars with the exception of the Mustang. F150 has been the best selling vehicle for a couple of decades. This abomination has Ford worried?

The Ford Mustang SUV is a concept. It can't be ahead or behind anything because it doesn't exist.

Of course if Ford had a big unveiling, called it a Tesla, broke some shatterproof windows and uglied it up, fanbois like you would be praising it's genius and hail it as the be all and end all of the entire automotive landscape.

What does Mercedes and the German government have to do with anything?

And, yes I am against all bailouts (GM would be better off if was allowed to go into bankruptcy), esp. the particularly odious tax credits for six figure Model S purchases.

Relax, Tesla is the king of EVs, no one cares but you.

 

[dryrunner]

I'm sure it isn't bulletproof. The thickness of the steel would make the weight many tons which drops the range. Marketing hype.

 

[Madtiger]

Stop passing your opinion of as fact. Who, exactly has Tesla "scared the living daylights" out of? GM? Ford? Ford has given up on cars with the exception of the Mustang. F150 has been the best selling vehicle for a couple of decades. This abomination has Ford worried?

The Ford Mustang SUV is a concept. It can't be ahead or behind anything because it doesn't exist.

Of course if Ford had a big unveiling, called it a Tesla, broke some shatterproof windows and uglied it up, fanbois like you would be praising it's genius and hail it as the be all and end all of the entire automotive landscape.

What does Mercedes and the German government have to do with anything?

And, yes I am against all bailouts (GM would be better off if was allowed to go into bankruptcy), esp. the particularly odious tax credits for six figure Model S purchases.

Relax, Tesla is the king of EVs, no one cares but you.

relax dude. Your hatred has clouded your thinking.

moving on.

Tesla Cybertruck: a look at beautiful different colors as Musk confirms matte black

Tesla Cybertruck’s entire body is made of stainless steel without a paint job, but CEO Elon Musk confirmed it will...

electrek.co

That white not too bad.

 

[TheBlackSheep]

well does anyone really need $85k LC when a 4Runner can do the same? I am sure that this thing can handle muddy boots, hay or beasties just as well as F150.

it may do things even better than F150. More towing. You can run your favorite electrical tool for hours. More room inside. More practical storage. No rust. More clearance. Air suspension. More comfy. More towing. Far Less maintenance.

the rest is an image problem that you have that has nothing to do with functionality.

It’s not the functionality I am disputing, I’d just hate to ruin something so fancy. I even cringe putting the dogg-o with his shedding and dagger toes and his wet-nose-on-the-glass in the Mini (the “nice” SundayGoToMeetin' car).

I also have to admit, I wouldn’t pay $85k for a Land Cruiser either. But that's the penny pinching person in me. If those were my two options though, I would lean Land Cruiser way just from a standpoint of maintenance and customer service, which I’ve heard can be rough going with Tesla. Probably from and off-roading standpoint as well if you're looking at it from the aftermarket lift/suspension/whatnot we like to add to our rides.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

I was not a huge fan of Tesla.....always thought of them as one trick pony......0-60 times. BUT, after reading MotorTrend's recent comparo where the Model 3 absolutely destroyed the BMW 3-series with M-package in overall performance, i have to tip my hat to them. BMW 3 has always been a driver's car...a car that sets the standard for its class...getting killed by an unknown from nowhere on its own turf (handling) is quite a feat IMHO. Look at Porsche new electric......ONLY 7-8 YEARS later is there a car that can match Model S performance! Look at Ford new Mustang SUV.......look how far behind it is from the Model X or even Model Y.

You keep bringing up the 3-series M-package vs Model 3 as some sort of definitive, biblical-level answer to everyone's needs. It's not.

First, MotorTrend is... well, MotorTrend. Their opinions are worth about as much as that of the average barista. Second, what percentage of vehicle owners actually take their vehicles to the track? I'll bet you've never been to one, much less participated in a competitive event where that "overall performance" plays a role, so why the drama?

A vehicle purchase is frequently an emotional process. People buy vehicles for many different reasons, and what's important to you, may be completely irrelevant to the guy next to you. If the 3-series line up - BMW's bread & butter - was as "destroyed" as you claim, they would have long-ago stopped making, much less selling them. Interestingly enough, I'd say that I see more 3-series cars on the road than Model 3s.

Anything that sells does so for a reason. It's great that Tesla is pushing some boundaries, but the company is not the universal answer to everything in the world, so please don't present it as one and try to stay objective.

 

[Angelo1]

Nobody has even mentioned the insurance cost? Insuring current Tesla’s cars are very expensive in comparison to other similarly priced vehicles. This is why Tesla has partnered with another insurance company to create Tesla Insurance. Geico and I believe Progressive offer slightly better rates but call your insurance company and get a quote one. Not cheap

 

[Madtiger]

It’s not the functionality I am disputing, I’d just hate to ruin something so fancy. I even cringe putting the dogg-o with his shedding and dagger toes and his wet-nose-on-the-glass in the Mini (the “nice” SundayGoToMeetin' car).

I also have to admit, I wouldn’t pay $85k for a Land Cruiser either. But that's the penny pinching person in me. If those were my two options though, I would lean Land Cruiser way just from a standpoint of maintenance and customer service, which I’ve heard can be rough going with Tesla. Probably from and off-roading standpoint as well if you're looking at it from the aftermarket lift/suspension/whatnot we like to add to our rides.

No doubt, i much prefer LC.

Maintenance probably favors Tesla since there is nothing to maintain other than tires and wipers. No engine oil to change. No transmission to care for.

Customer service...well, Toyota dealers are not exactly legendary in their service or support of our community.

You keep bringing up the 3-series M-package vs Model 3 as some sort of definitive, biblical-level answer to everyone's needs. It's not.

First, MotorTrent is... well, MotorTrend. Their opinions are worth about as much as that of the average barista. Second, what percentage of vehicle owners actually take their vehicles to the track? I'll bet you've never been to one, much less participated in a competitive event where that "overall performance" plays a role, so why the drama?

A vehicle purchase is frequently an emotional process. People buy vehicles for many different reasons, and what's important to you, may be completely irrelevant to the guy next to you. If the 3-series line up - BMW's bread & butter - was as "destroyed" as you claim, they would have long-ago stopped making, much less selling them. Interestingly enough, I'd say that I see more 3-series cars on the road than Model 3s.

Anything that sells does so for a reason. It's great that Tesla is pushing some boundaries, but the company is not the universal answer to everything in the world, so please don't present it as one and try to stay objective.

So, with your logic, everyone should get a Camry/Corolla? And i guess they do given the sale numbers! And no, you do not need to be a track star to enjoy a BMW. The driving enjoyment and dynamics of a BMW has long been the standard of the sports car industry.

You missed my point...by a long shot. (And i believe the Model 3 did outsell the 3-series since it has come out in the USA...)

The point was/is that Musk claims of Tesla's specs should be respected...because he has not overpromised on anything in that regard. And to drive the point home, the Model 3 on regular tires beat a BMW 3-series with M package. Tesla should be treated as a serious car company, not some irrelevant far off brand.

But obviously, if you are a grandpa who just wants to get from point A to b, then yeah, a Yugo would suffice.

It's interesting...only the "haters" in this thread claim that Tesla want to rule the world or solve world hunger. No one is saying that. IF you don't like Tesla, then that's OK. No one is forcing you to buy one.

What have I said that is NOT objective...everything that i have typed is backed up by factual links/information. Please feel free to point out.

Again, i am NOT a Tesla fanboy, but at the same time, i respect it enough and try not to be ignorant of newer things...while still loving my LC.

I have ZERO plans to ever owning a Tesla. Zero. Nada.

 

[eatSleepWoof]

What have I said that is NOT objective...

! LOL !