Are these improvements that the 200 (2008 and newer) have over the previous model or have these been implemented somewhere during the run of the 200 (2008-current)?
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Are these improvements that the 200 (2008 and newer) have over the previous model or have these been implemented somewhere during the run of the 200 (2008-current)?
Yup so, officially, it is 44 degrees side slope.
The above is in comparison to LC 100.
Australian crash testing: https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ancap....e15f54fa78f752c4f4021/original.pdf?1445569314
Over/Under on the chances the other car was a Smart For2 car?
Thanks for posting this.
Title page says this is for 200’s big from AUG 2015 onwards but in the content it says this 200 was produced in 2012.
Wonder if there were any changes in the crash performance of later years.
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1959 Chevy head on crash video, search.myway.com
I wonder if that’s a lower trim model sans side airbags or if they’re disabled to allow for filming.
Not sure......or those tough Australians don’t need no stinking airbags! They have muscles on top of muscles!
Thanks. I got that.
Was curious if there are any differences in the crash performance of a later model i.e. model year 2013 and later.
Guessing not since they made these applicable to MY 2015 - onwards
I found that discrepancy odd as well. Why say that it is applicable to 2015 onward, when you tested a 2012?
Side airbags generally will not deploy due to a front impact crash.
There are a couple of things that I see that are being suggested as "improvements" that are actually possible bad news. Adding "steel bumpers" may actually keep your airbags from working as intended and will alter the crush zones built in by the manufacturer.
Some aftermarket manufacturers tout "air bag compatibility" and imply that they have been crash tested. But, read carefully, it becomes obvious that they've merely studied the existing crash tests and think that they won't interfere with air bag operation.
From one of the websites (bolding is mine)
"ARB has invested heavily in vehicle crash barrier tests to validate the performance and compliance of its air bag compatible bumpers. To ensure compatibility, ARB assesses each vehicle’s frontal crush characteristics and replicates the crush rate in the design of each air bag compatible bumper and mounting system. Using this method ensures that the vehicle’s crush rate and air bag triggering are not altered when a bumper is installed. "
Also, if the crush rate is not altered, then what does this bumper actually do? (yeah, I know that I sound like the kid in the dishwashing detergent ad)
The car, as designed, is as safe as it gets. To protect occupants (like others have said) make sure that everyone is properly belted, the seats are mostly upright, car seats are installed properly (almost none are) and anything loose is tied down. Remember that anything can become a projectile.
I've seen flying boxes, cats and dogs kill people in accidents. I've seen a can of beans kill.
Some aftermarket manufacturers tout "air bag compatibility" and imply that they have been crash tested. But, read carefully, it becomes obvious that they've merely studied the existing crash tests and think that they won't interfere with air bag operation.
From one of the websites (bolding is mine)
"ARB has invested heavily in vehicle crash barrier tests to validate the performance and compliance of its air bag compatible bumpers. To ensure compatibility, ARB assesses each vehicle’s frontal crush characteristics and replicates the crush rate in the design of each air bag compatible bumper and mounting system. Using this method ensures that the vehicle’s crush rate and air bag triggering are not altered when a bumper is installed. "
Also, if the crush rate is not altered, then what does this bumper actually do? (yeah, I know that I sound like the kid in the dishwashing detergent ad)
The car, as designed, is as safe as it gets. To protect occupants (like others have said) make sure that everyone is properly belted, the seats are mostly upright, car seats are installed properly (almost none are) and anything loose is tied down. Remember that anything can become a projectile.
I've seen flying boxes, cats and dogs kill people in accidents. I've seen a can of beans kill.
Not necessarily correct. The airbag system makes thousands of calculations to answer one question and only one question - "If I deploy, will I reduce injury?" The system figures out where the seat is, the angle and severity of impact and decides where the occupant is going. Then the system decides what to deploy (and how fast) to keep the occupant from hitting sharp bits.
No airbags are deactivated for the tests and the testers know where Vince and Larry are supposed to go based on the impact.
Markuson
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I agree that steel bumpers likely won't make the truck safer, and there is a chance they will make it less safe. But it is worth noting that ARB does actually undergo crash testing of their bumpers (which is what is meant by the first sentence in your quote from their website).
I am putting an ARB bumper on my LX, but I have no illusions that I am becoming safer. My hope is that I am about as safe as I was before, but if putting a steel bumper on the front would make the truck safer, Toyota/Lexus would have done it. But I do think there's value in going with a company like ARB that has actually done crash testing and made a conscious effort to replicate things like crush rates.
bloc
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“Safer” in this context goes beyond the occupants of the landcruiser. Front bumpers are designed to protect us, but also anything we run into, be it the drivers door of a Honda Civic or some poor guy crossing a road. A steel bumper in those situations is generally MUCH worse for the other end of the accident.
I totally get the thinking that whoever is in our vehicle is the priority, but as I get older I think more and more about how my decisions impact others. No pun intended. That is one factor in my decision to keep stock bumpers on my 200. Cruising fuel efficiency and lack of need are major others.
I totally get the thinking that whoever is in our vehicle is the priority, but as I get older I think more and more about how my decisions impact others. No pun intended. That is one factor in my decision to keep stock bumpers on my 200. Cruising fuel efficiency and lack of need are major others.
