Japanese V35A-FTS Bearing Issues (3 Viewers)

[ikarus]

I just posted this over in the 250 forum - but there's an interesting update to the recall press release:

Toyota Recalls Certain Model Year 2022-2023 Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX Vehicles - Toyota USA Newsroom

PLANO, Texas (May 30, 2024)—Toyota is conducting a safety recall involving certain model year 2022-2023 Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX (conventional gas model only) vehicles in North America. Approximately, 102,000 Toyota and Lexus branded vehicles are involved in this recall […]

pressroom.toyota.com

"For all involved vehicles, Toyota and Lexus dealers will replace the engine with a new one at no cost to customers."

 

[JS22STL]

From the tundra forums - a service writer

 

[WkndProject]

From the tundra forums - a service writer
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Does this mean they will replace all engines in the recall? Or just those that fail?

If all, the cost would approach $1bn.

 

[JS22STL]

Does this mean they will replace all engines in the recall? Or just those that fail?

If all, the cost would approach $1bn.

Not sure. But without language around “those affected” it would lead you to believe it’s all those covered would be replaced.

 

[dms]

Why don't you buy the debris explanation?

As I understand (and I certainly may be incorrect) but if it was only debris, there would have been no need to redesign portions of the one piece main bearing assembly and possibly other parts of the block which have appeared in the mid spring 24 production models.

 

[AN470]

I wonder what "new engine" means. Long block? Short block?

 

[OGBeno]

I wonder what "new engine" means. Long block? Short block?

Engine replacement would be a long block assembly. The real question is will they ship long blocks in a crate or will they send a short block w/parts kit for dealer technicians to build.

 

[OGBeno]

This would indicate to me that the dealer will be building engines using a new short block assembly.

Good techs will get that down to 10-15hrs and make some serious gravy. Toyota/Lexus dealer parts and service departments are salivating right now.

 

[JS22STL]

 

[JS22STL]

This would indicate to me that the dealer will be building engines using a new short block assembly.

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Good techs will get that down to 10-15hrs and make some serious gravy. Toyota dealer parts and service departments are salivating right now.

Based on the video I’d agree with this.

 

[Tigerstripe40]

When else has Toyota released a car with a massive multi-year recall due to complete engine failure? Let alone a Land Cruiser……

I’m as big of a Toyota fan as they come but this is pathetic.

The 3.0 3VZ-E V6 from 1988 → 1995 comes to mind. Those engines weren't put in Land Cruisers, but were put in Hilux/Pickups, T100s, 4Runners and PRADOs during that timeframe.

 

[TaishoCruiser]

The 3.0 3VZ-E V6 from 1988 → 1995 comes to mind. Those engines weren't put in Land Cruisers, but were put in Hilux/Pickups, T100s, 4Runners and PRADOs during that timeframe.

It might not be ideal but as Tigetstripe40 mentioned, its happened before, even to the best of them, company wise. Toyota, Porsche with the 997.2 GT3... not saying it doesn't **** but at least they are doing a full replacement versus just covering the percentage that fail and then leaving people with failures right after the warranty period out to dry.

 

[VLX]

My 2023 LX600 VIN does not come up on the recall, so we can extrapolate that not all vehicles are faulty.

 

[JS22STL]

My 2023 LX600 VIN does not come up on the recall, so we can extrapolate that not all vehicles are faulty.

They likely changed something in production prior to releasing a new part number on the sites. Nobody knows

 

[rexington14]

As I understand (and I certainly may be incorrect) but if it was only debris, there would have been no need to redesign portions of the one piece main bearing assembly and possibly other parts of the block which have appeared in the mid spring 24 production models.

Were the parts actually redesigned though? Has that been confirmed?

AFAIK some part numbers were replaced / updated but the reason why that occurred is complete speculation.

 

[WkndProject]

Were the parts actually redesigned though? Has that been confirmed?

AFAIK some part numbers were replaced / updated but the reason why that occurred is complete speculation.

One of the reasons I bought a 600 was for the made in Japan quality. I’d be pissed if the engine failed and they swapped in an Alabama-made engine.

 

[JDMaffinity93]

One of the reasons I bought a 600 was for the made in Japan quality. I’d be pissed if the engine failed and they swapped in an Alabama-made engine.

You've lost with that mindset even if they did source the engine from Japan. Unless they flew in a master factory technician to install your engine, you are also getting inferior labor to do the swap as well. I would think that down the road, the 22-23 LX600s are going to have significantly inferior resale values to a late URJ201 and later VJA310 builds because of speculation like this.

 

[Joe T]

I would imagine a Tundra would more than likely get a Japanese motor than Vice Versa. Think about it. There is like 4,000 lx600 recalls and 96,000 tundra recalls with 2 engine factories. (Dont quote me on those numbers exactly)

 

[hawkQTR]

It's official now, possibly the first recall being issued in the middle east View attachment 3685110

Just had a chat with the dealership, the good news is that that my car is not getting recall (production date April 2023). Keen to know if Tundra/LX600 owner worldwide with same production dates are also not getting recalled! (Assuming engine production date is the same)

However, im still not fully relieved. I'm a bit skeptical about how Toyota is managing these recalls. I mean +100k engines are being recalled and for a major problem and yet I feel Toyota is not being transparent enough about the sampling process and mitigation.

To be honest, I was expecting my car to be recalled. my engine used to make strange knocking noise (as described in the statement issued by Toyota) when it had less than 5000km. When I took it to the dealership, they told me its normal as the engine is "brand new!" The knocking did disappear over time but on hindsight I still don't sleep well at night when i remember the sound.

For people who are curious, this is how my engine used to sound!

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Visit this link to play the video:

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[40Man]

You've lost with that mindset even if they did source the engine from Japan. Unless they flew in a master factory technician to install your engine, you are also getting inferior labor to do the swap as well. I would think that down the road, the 22-23 LX600s are going to have significantly inferior resale values to a late URJ201 and later VJA310 builds because of speculation like this.

No doubt about it. Even if it is with Japan parts, a service department built engine will of course more likely be assembled at a lower level than an engine build on an assembly line, which is why I was hoping they'd ship assembled long blocks for those affected.

There are many good master technicians, and there are many that are just okay, just like people in any field. However, I'd trust a factory worker that has limited duties on an assembly line vs one guy doing the whole thing. Still, all new parts is a better proposition than a new short block with old parts.

If I had an affected vehicle, I'd try to find a dealer with techs that have done a number of these, and hopefully wait a while until they have the process down pat before having mine done.

My FIL's Tundra has close to 80k miles. It appears his is "fine". I"m assuming he'll wait as long as possible before getting the new engine, and continue to rack up miles on his 22.