Originally there were two block number for hybrid vs non-hybrid. They went to the hybrid based part number for all builds. One part of the main bearing changed in April, but I have seen no proof that it was due to a redesign. Part numbers change all the time for a number of reasons, new supplier, same supplier but different factory, change in components due to market availability, etc.
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Originally there were two block number for hybrid vs non-hybrid. They went to the hybrid based part number for all builds. One part of the main bearing changed in April, but I have seen no proof that it was due to a redesign. Part numbers change all the time for a number of reasons, new supplier, same supplier but different factory, change in components due to market availability, etc.
Replace the "engine assembly" does NOT mean the entire engine. Only the affected parts. Sooo, if the "cage bearing cap" design is the problem, replacement is not going to create longevity IMHO.
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This may have already been discussed but I was under the impression that the engine in question had been in the LS for several years prior to it "debut" in the Tundra. I wonder if the LS had the same issues. Granted people probably don't drive their LS the same as Tundra owners and many LX owners. I wonder what Toyota/Lexus is going to do when engines crater that are out of warranty.
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Thanks for the heads up. It looks like the 18+ LS have the same issue. One guy wrote up his LS 500 experience (44k miles) and said Lexus flew in a Tech and that replacement engine was $50K+. I like my LX600 but am beginning to wish I had not traded in my LX570. The LX570 seemed bullet proof.
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Roger that!
Call me crazy.
I dumped my 22 within two weeks of the news of the recall. I was concerned of a potential engine out resolution. It was not showing any signs of issues, but we were pretty pissed about Lexus selling us a model of a car they knowingly had issues with and were days away from an announcement. My dealer was fantastic and heard my displeasure loud and clear. They worked with me to dump the 22 at the auction. Not sure if it's a Lexus thing, but my dealer won't sell a used Lexus while it's under an open recall. They gave me what I paid for the car - also what the car was bringing at auction. (I bought it certified around 30 days before the news broke). Horrible timing on my part. I had the 22 in my possession less than two months. I was able to buy a new 24 at $12,000 less than MSRP and no add-ons. They covered the cost to PPF the front, which I had paid for on the other car. I'm sure they made a few thousand somewhere in the deal.
We just completed a 3000 mile trip in the new one. We love it and HOPEFULLY no issues with this one. I sent the 1k mile oil change off to Blackstone and will be doing the same with the 5k just to keep an eye on irregular materials.
So the 24 LX600 motor has corrected all the problems that the 22 LX600 is associated with?
Exactly what I was thinking...
as @40Man said already "Part numbers change all the time for a number of reasons, new supplier, same supplier but different factory, change in components due to market availability, etc."
These motors had issues in the 2018+ Lexus LS500, then they rolled out Tundra, same issues, LX600, same issues....
this is really affecting LC300 sales in our region right now, I know the new ones don't have issues or so we are told but it completely destroyed the faith of people in the new engine atleast for now.
When you have the LC300 as the best selling vehicle or one of the best selling vehicles and this happens, it is a big deal when almost all of the first year or two have to be recalled, sure for Toyota this is but peanuts on the global scale but for the consumer trust in its key market, this is terrible.
It also couldn't come at a worse time. The Nissan Patrol is coming with a vengeance.
Anyway, they need a facelift ASAP. They need to disassociate the current early models and start fresh. An interior tech update won't be enough. They need exterior updates so people don't associate with the early versions.
I know a tech update is happening in a few months but I think the first cosmetic updates ( lights/bumpers..etc) won't happen until another 12/16 months.
It is an excellent engine, just unlucky start.
it also adds to the fact the LC300 just doesn't feel as well built as the LC200 overall, more rattles, lots of minor niggles here and there that get fixed for free under warranty. It is better to drive, better performing off road but it doesn't feel as well built or tough as the older cruisers. I have interior creaks in my 2024 LC300 that I never have in my LX 570.. I have wind noise from the side in my 2024 LC300 that I don't have in my 1998 LC100... and thats had like 3 windshield replacements probably in all its life.. Not to mention that plastic fenders that keep popping off after dune bashing or interior fender liners/clips that are so flimsy and don't handle any off road abuse. That is just what you see on the surface.
It shows wear and tear more than the old cruisers. That is a fact I am sure of. After some harsh use, they feel more tired.
the LC250 is probably even worse in this regard honestly, because in real life it feels much cheaper than an LC300.
Also the LC300 ride comfort is not that good honestly. Also the AC performance is not as good as the LC200.
We are stuck with this for another decade or so thats the sad part.
When you have the LC300 as the best selling vehicle or one of the best selling vehicles and this happens, it is a big deal when almost all of the first year or two have to be recalled, sure for Toyota this is but peanuts on the global scale but for the consumer trust in its key market, this is terrible.
It also couldn't come at a worse time. The Nissan Patrol is coming with a vengeance.
Anyway, they need a facelift ASAP. They need to disassociate the current early models and start fresh. An interior tech update won't be enough. They need exterior updates so people don't associate with the early versions.
I know a tech update is happening in a few months but I think the first cosmetic updates ( lights/bumpers..etc) won't happen until another 12/16 months.
It is an excellent engine, just unlucky start.
it also adds to the fact the LC300 just doesn't feel as well built as the LC200 overall, more rattles, lots of minor niggles here and there that get fixed for free under warranty. It is better to drive, better performing off road but it doesn't feel as well built or tough as the older cruisers. I have interior creaks in my 2024 LC300 that I never have in my LX 570.. I have wind noise from the side in my 2024 LC300 that I don't have in my 1998 LC100... and thats had like 3 windshield replacements probably in all its life.. Not to mention that plastic fenders that keep popping off after dune bashing or interior fender liners/clips that are so flimsy and don't handle any off road abuse. That is just what you see on the surface.
It shows wear and tear more than the old cruisers. That is a fact I am sure of. After some harsh use, they feel more tired.
the LC250 is probably even worse in this regard honestly, because in real life it feels much cheaper than an LC300.
Also the LC300 ride comfort is not that good honestly. Also the AC performance is not as good as the LC200.
We are stuck with this for another decade or so thats the sad part.
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I like my LX600 more than I liked my LX570 but I agree that the 200 feels more substantial. I was driving my 18LC yesterday wishing that Lexus had stuck with the V8.
Regarding trust and loyalty, I think Toyota/Lexus can retain/regain lost customer trust by quickly handling the 2TV6 engine failure issues and getting to the bottom of the causes for the engine failures. I don't think an exterior update is necessary for the LX600 since the Tundra, LS500 and GX550 all share the same 2TV6. The last time I checked dealers had not gotten through all of their orders for the GX550 yet. It would be interesting to see how many people are backing out since the Tundra and LX issues have gotten so much attention.
After watching the video posted above, it looks like debris from the machining process may actually be the culprit. I must be naive but I really find it hard to believe that the engine blocks were not inspected prior to assembly.
I wonder when the first class action lawsuit will be filed?
Regarding trust and loyalty, I think Toyota/Lexus can retain/regain lost customer trust by quickly handling the 2TV6 engine failure issues and getting to the bottom of the causes for the engine failures. I don't think an exterior update is necessary for the LX600 since the Tundra, LS500 and GX550 all share the same 2TV6. The last time I checked dealers had not gotten through all of their orders for the GX550 yet. It would be interesting to see how many people are backing out since the Tundra and LX issues have gotten so much attention.
After watching the video posted above, it looks like debris from the machining process may actually be the culprit. I must be naive but I really find it hard to believe that the engine blocks were not inspected prior to assembly.
I wonder when the first class action lawsuit will be filed?
