How would you know for sure anything in your second point is true when waiting for a kit that has yet to be made or tested? Is TT going give you the math that he used to figure this setup so you can confirm it’s not a mess?
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Cool, so you have the anti-dive, roll axis and roll center numbers for the 60 kit you built, what are they and will the 55 kit be similar?so the guess work/math is taken out and is simply align things and start welding.
Cool, so you have the anti-dive, roll axis and roll center numbers for the 60 kit you built, what are they and will the 55 kit be similar?
If you want to pay for it and supply an original non-worn suspension for R&D we can do it.
Let me know your exact weights (corner to corner and side to side, lift height expectations front to rear and weight to lift above CL (stock height) of your 55 or whatever your building, exact wheel BS/OS and if you will be running a wheel spacers (if so, what brand and the exact countersink face depth off of CL) will you be running any components over stock weights or under stock weights. This means bumpers, sliders, gear, etc.. and I can put the dims and weights into my partnering companies computer parameters and they'll split something out for you for a purchase of the kit.
As you know, throwing a fat ass chick in a spare seat changes everything. If you want a Ferrari ride/specs and suspension expectations you can certainly pay for it... This coming from a guy that questions this kit vs. a 3 link that NO ONE would ever consider these specs...... yeah I'm a dick, but you questioned it.
Can someone educate me why this is a good option, or better yet why this is preferable to coil over shocks and a three link.
I would hope so but my question was have you done it.
When you said “the guess work/math is taken out and is simply align things and start welding.” You left the impression that the “math” was done and your kit is good to go. Are you suggesting that if I wanted a kit that is good to go that would be a different kit and I would need to pay for the R&D?
Some of this is clearly over my head but specifically wouldn’t the mounts you make have more to do with the instant center and anti-dive than wheel spacers?
I’m going to be honest here and yes your answers to questions about your product make you sound like a dick.
So when I asked why this is a good option over say something else I got three answers.
1) It’s a super Toyota nerd move. 2) I'm not sure one can argue it is a better option, mostly just an option. And 3) weld it on and be happy or pay me more money and tell me about the fat chick sitting next to you and I’ll ask my “partnering companies computer parameters and they'll split something out for you for a purchase of the kit”
This started as me being genuinely curious about your kit and thinking the benefits would be obvious and someone could easily explain the engineering behind the benefits, clearly it's not that simple so I'll move on.
Hey this has been fun and I sincerely hope you are having a fantastic day too!!!
No shovel, ax and high lift?
1) It’s a super Toyota nerd move.
2) the radius arm suspension set up works nice for DD and weekend wheeler do well. No need to re-figure “math” and mess up a 3 link.
3) we are Toyota nerds
4) you can get into some factory locked axles for $2-3k cheaper than ARBs
5) it also shows who is the nerdiest
I will release as a DIY kit but until it has been documented by me, its on the buyer to do their own research and install.
I get several emails and comments from computer armchair pricks on a weekly basis. When someone throws out a night and day comparison question (especially when they know the parameters you threw out after the post) and then requests information that costs 1000s of dollars to achieve, you automatically fall into that category with me and many other vendors on this and other forums. No I will not release "free" R&D information to anyone. Go ask Toyota or XYZ company for that exact info and they won't even reply to you. I'm not Toyota by any means but my R&D is just as valuable to me.
Your reputation proceeds you. Funny, after you chimed in on this thread I quickly received two messages from other piggie members saying "watch your step he's a dickhead" and "get ready for questions that will lead nowhere".
@TachedOutOffRoad sorry to clog up the thread.
I’ll send you a link to the free online calculator.
Hey! It’s my birthday and I’m headed to fly a helicopter!
Catch up with y’all this evening!
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Think we should be able to have a civil conversation without the need for name-calling, yes?
And while I didn't know about any of the terms prior to JMac throwing them out there, I can understand the basic jist without looking them up in an engineering dictionary. However, wouldn't most of those actions and rates/numbers be a result of the actual spring rate and construction as it relates to a given body type and weight. I mean, we could see the numbers on a sheet of paper, but without having an actual seat-of-the-pants feel to relate to, how significant is it, and how much does a simple swap of springs go to changing both the numbers and feel? Personally, I'm not really into coils. Too many arms and bushings compared to what old school leafs can achieve. But even coil rigs run anti-sway bars. How much do they affect those aforementioned characteristics?