the front end you just need to index properly for the droop. If you want 2.5 lift in the back then i would buy one that is 2.5, not hack your lift to get it.
IronMan suspension VS. Old Man Emu?
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the front end you just need to index properly for the droop. If you want 2.5 lift in the back then i would buy one that is 2.5, not hack your lift to get it.
I like my OME, but the guys over at ACC Toyota say that the Ironman suspension products, especially the shock, are much better in ride, handling, and comfort compared to the OME parts. If i need new shocks are go to a 6'', I'm going Ironman.
Read pretty much the entire thread. With Father's Day creeping up. My wife has approved rear springs.
I want mediums in 1.5 lift. I'll then crank TB.
What's the equivalent IM compared to OME 865? Has anyone ran them and have pics?
I want mediums in 1.5 lift. I'll then crank TB.
What's the equivalent IM compared to OME 865? Has anyone ran them and have pics?
Bucfl,
I asked IM what the spring length was on their Toyo13B Spring ( 0-200kg extra weight) and was told the free height was 485mm or 19.1". On the 100 that's stated to be worth 1" or 25mm lift(50mm on the 80) Not sure how that compares to OME 865 spring length or rate. If you get the 865's Post up the spring length for reference.
I asked IM what the spring length was on their Toyo13B Spring ( 0-200kg extra weight) and was told the free height was 485mm or 19.1". On the 100 that's stated to be worth 1" or 25mm lift(50mm on the 80) Not sure how that compares to OME 865 spring length or rate. If you get the 865's Post up the spring length for reference.
I have the same IronMan springs as @abuck99 - the Toyo13B - along with the IronMan TBs. The ride is excellent. But, my 100 netted more than 1". It's every bit of 2" over stock - which was what I was expecting.
From everything I've read here (and heard from ACC), you'd be fine with either OME or IronMan - as long as you pick shock other than the OME... lots of complaints about their shocks.
From everything I've read here (and heard from ACC), you'd be fine with either OME or IronMan - as long as you pick shock other than the OME... lots of complaints about their shocks.
ManH-
My IM springs are still sittin' in the box, was waiting on sliders before installing those. Question: Did they add spacers on top of your springs to get to 2" or did you get that result with the springs alone?
Btw- We got to get out and do a trail run soon.
My IM springs are still sittin' in the box, was waiting on sliders before installing those. Question: Did they add spacers on top of your springs to get to 2" or did you get that result with the springs alone?
Btw- We got to get out and do a trail run soon.
Not sure I want to go a full 2" lift. Will I have CV issues cranking the TB's to proper rake if I go with the IM's 2" rear?
The IM come in either a constant load and non constant? @Manhattan , which load did you go with?
The IM are 2" on 4x4labs site while the OME's mediums are 1.5". Im going OEM springs.
But IM site states 25mm, which is 1". How does 25mm equate to 2" of lift? I would think its 1" over stock?
The IM come in either a constant load and non constant? @Manhattan , which load did you go with?
The IM are 2" on 4x4labs site while the OME's mediums are 1.5". Im going OEM springs.
But IM site states 25mm, which is 1". How does 25mm equate to 2" of lift? I would think its 1" over stock?
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I have a somewhat related question: Where are you guys buying the Foam Cell Pro shocks? I haven't had any luck locating any, or even getting a price!
Battleship
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Chris Tolleson at 49Tire in MS got me a set from IM on Friday. 601-932-6636 They are supposed to ship Monday. $760
I'll chime in
The IM Toyo13B springs are referenced as 0-200kg extra load, they are Not the constant load or heavy capacity springs.
How does the IM reference of 25mm equate to 2" lift? Great question. When you find the answer let me know. I've asked this same question on a few occasions with no answer. IM offers no specs on the spring rates, coil diameter so it's hard to compare it to anything else. All you have is the OME spread sheet bctlex linked.
Thanks for the biz.
@abuck99
LMAO...
Im literally on the phone with John from MetalTech and he said the reason that IM specs are 25mm is because thats with a loaded vehicle and its how the Ausies are calculating the height. But mentioned its definitely a 2" spring as thats whats being reported here in the US.
Go figure...
So i did want to try the IM but i dont need the 2". Ill be going with OME Mediums 1.5" 2865's. Hes getting a quote for me now and will post price when i get it.
LMAO...
Im literally on the phone with John from MetalTech and he said the reason that IM specs are 25mm is because thats with a loaded vehicle and its how the Ausies are calculating the height. But mentioned its definitely a 2" spring as thats whats being reported here in the US.
Go figure...
So i did want to try the IM but i dont need the 2". Ill be going with OME Mediums 1.5" 2865's. Hes getting a quote for me now and will post price when i get it.
Looks like you will be getting my business too! Not quite ready to pull the trigger yet, but hopefully this summer!
Well it looks like ill go with the LC 2001 OME 2865 1.5" Medium rear springs. I spoke to Slee and they seem to be worried about the CV angle. I dont have the money for the kit or carry any armor front/back. I told him that my truck sits stock, but he said that there are variations in stock height. He was not able to guide me on the correct rake i will need.
Im worried that if i go with the rear springs and crank the TB's i will screw up my perfectly fine CV. I know a few here run this setup with OEM shocks. Any advice?
Im worried that if i go with the rear springs and crank the TB's i will screw up my perfectly fine CV. I know a few here run this setup with OEM shocks. Any advice?
Apology for newbie question here, so what happen if I add a rear spring, lets say IM Toyo13B, and do not crank up the TB? I am fine with stock height and dont want to risk screwing up my CV. I just need new spring so I can carry more weight from time to time. I mean I always see everyone crank up TB to level the stance or to sit higher, but is that for looks only? I know the car should have a rake to have the correct handling, right? Or too much rake is not a good thing, just like too little rake?
Toyo13B sounds like a good match with what I need. The LC is not loaded most of the time. And everyone knows that the yellow spring will make the car runs faster
Mucho stinkbug. The rear will sit 2" higher than it does now which is already 1" or more higher than the front unless you've leveled it out.
Understood. I am not saying I like it, or I will do this, but beside it look bad, is there actually a problem, like if this will impact how the car handle or anything like that?
Bucfl
Conceptually by cranking up the stock TBs you are also adding more preload to a "spring" that was designed to perform optimally at factory height. Adding preload will affect your ride quality (stiffen), and you loose some travel (droop), and depending how high you go, steering control. Just be aware of the amount of droop you have left over as you crank your stock TBs up. Adding some aftermarket TB's (even set at factory height) would provide more range of adjustment (related to preload) and improved handling.
CV angles on a slight (1-2") front lift can be managed with a diff drop. But....spiders/ujoints, sway bar links, axle alignment can still be affected by lifting.
Reading the IM FAQ's they state that the rear lift is limited to 35mm = 1.375" ?
"Vehicles with Independent Suspension are limited to 35mm lift due to the geometry restraints inherent by this design of suspension."
So maybe there is some conflicting info. Hearing from someone who has installed the IM rear springs, what the "after install" hub to fender measurements would provide some factual data.
Conceptually by cranking up the stock TBs you are also adding more preload to a "spring" that was designed to perform optimally at factory height. Adding preload will affect your ride quality (stiffen), and you loose some travel (droop), and depending how high you go, steering control. Just be aware of the amount of droop you have left over as you crank your stock TBs up. Adding some aftermarket TB's (even set at factory height) would provide more range of adjustment (related to preload) and improved handling.
CV angles on a slight (1-2") front lift can be managed with a diff drop. But....spiders/ujoints, sway bar links, axle alignment can still be affected by lifting.
Reading the IM FAQ's they state that the rear lift is limited to 35mm = 1.375" ?
"Vehicles with Independent Suspension are limited to 35mm lift due to the geometry restraints inherent by this design of suspension."
So maybe there is some conflicting info. Hearing from someone who has installed the IM rear springs, what the "after install" hub to fender measurements would provide some factual data.
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Apology for newbie question here, so what happen if I add a rear spring, lets say IM Toyo13B, and do not crank up the TB? I am fine with stock height and dont want to risk screwing up my CV. I just need new spring so I can carry more weight from time to time. I mean I always see everyone crank up TB to level the stance or to sit higher, but is that for looks only? I know the car should have a rake to have the correct handling, right? Or too much rake is not a good thing, just like too little rake?
Toyo13B sounds like a good match with what I need. The LC is not loaded most of the time. And everyone knows that the yellow spring will make the car runs faster
If no one else has mentioned this to you, I'll just note that your needs sound perfect for simply adding Airlift bags to the rear coils. That keeps things stock and you can inflate them more when you need to carry more weight occasionally. That's what I do and it works great.
