I wont be replacing my 570 anytime probably ever, but what happens after it runs its course? Or i pass it down? Thats where im at right now at least. Kind of stuck without comparable options. I would def buy a G though if things go my way soon.
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I wont be replacing my 570 anytime probably ever, but what happens after it runs its course? Or i pass it down? Thats where im at right now at least. Kind of stuck without comparable options. I would def buy a G though if things go my way soon.
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Goes without saying that Ineos will have to prove themselves, that goes for any new business. Would I be nervous if I bought one right away, of course!!!! Warranty/service/spare parts availability is definitely a concern and important to me. As a Tesla owner, the service and parts experience alone has me seriously considering not having another Tesla.
Exactly. So, we should approach this brand with the same cautiousness. It could be another Yugo…worst than LR, Ford, and/or Fiat! To all of a sudden ASS-U-ME that Ineos is better than established players such as Ford, Jeep, etc. is crazy talk IMHO.
That is very good news. Also noticed pricing online in the $70k to $100k range, which is below the Mercedes G. Well, it maybe a great buy with lots of ownership satisfaction. Just do not be completely surprised when it does not. I guess once you have owned or own a 200, there does not seem to be anything else out there near as capable and reliable for off roading, overlanding and "SUV'ing".
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Not an EV
Sorry to see you have a Tesla and still do not get it. And sorry I am rubbing it in...
At times I do wonder whether going more careless through life would make me happier. The problem is I cannot switch of my brain...
Well, LR Defender is not EV either and it is still a sh!tshow in quality.
Do tell the story. Im about to order in a couple weeks.
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Sorry, I am not understanding this comment. What is it that I supposedly don't get? What is careless?
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What was the point of posting it then if not comparing it to a 200?
I put down a deposit when the started preorders. I was told they will publish all repair manuals for free and are working to ensure plenty of parts availability.
The engine is the well tested BMW B58, axles are from a well known tractor company (Carraro) and a ZF transmission. They also have Bosch repair shops servicing them.
Ineos is committed to multiple models, including trucks and EVs.
I'll keep the cruiser, but am excited for when I can eventually take delivery of mine. Hopefully next year.
The engine is the well tested BMW B58, axles are from a well known tractor company (Carraro) and a ZF transmission. They also have Bosch repair shops servicing them.
Ineos is committed to multiple models, including trucks and EVs.
I'll keep the cruiser, but am excited for when I can eventually take delivery of mine. Hopefully next year.
posted my thoughts here: Drove the Grenadier - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/drove-the-grenadier.1309478/
Really do like the Grenadier!
Really do like the Grenadier!
Hmmmm
My first take on this when i heard about it, was they wanted to revive the Defender style and make a variant more reliable and minimize electronics
So they are taking one of the most delicate, unreliable 4x4's ever made and putting a BMW motor in it??
Ummmm.... What?
Driven a couple D90s and a D110 and other than looking kind of cool and nostalgic, i am not sure of the appeal, they never really did anything well.
I highly doubt it warrants enough demand to make this a profitable company for them.
Will be interesting to follow
My first take on this when i heard about it, was they wanted to revive the Defender style and make a variant more reliable and minimize electronics
So they are taking one of the most delicate, unreliable 4x4's ever made and putting a BMW motor in it??
Ummmm.... What?
Driven a couple D90s and a D110 and other than looking kind of cool and nostalgic, i am not sure of the appeal, they never really did anything well.
I highly doubt it warrants enough demand to make this a profitable company for them.
Will be interesting to follow
Lol, agreed the design was ripped off but that BMW engine is good!!! Thats their best modern engine in a loooong while.
FWIW, Ineos has stated they are committed to having parts available in 24 hours for major cities, and will work to build hub(s) once they get closer to U.S. launch. They have already begun the hub buildouts in Europe.
"When it comes to servicing and repairing the Grenadier, the aim is for customers to have a workshop nearby, whether that workshop belongs to a retail partner or, in certain countries, to Bosch or to BMW. Considering how the Grenadier will be a serious working vehicle for many, our ambition is for replacement parts to be delivered within 24 hours, to minimise any downtime."
"Remote support will include technical help from INEOS HQ, via the phone, SMS, email, or via access to online interactive 3D manuals. Where necessary, a team of ‘Flying Spanners’ mobile technicians will fly out to help customers with no other option."
With two old Land Cruisers, I'm already used to waiting on parts if I can even find them. The Ineos will be one of many vehicles for me, and if Ineos tanks, then so be it. I really like that they are providing free access to online 3D manuals for those of us that like to wrench ourselves. Supporting a company that is willing to do that almost makes it worth the purchase alone.
"When it comes to servicing and repairing the Grenadier, the aim is for customers to have a workshop nearby, whether that workshop belongs to a retail partner or, in certain countries, to Bosch or to BMW. Considering how the Grenadier will be a serious working vehicle for many, our ambition is for replacement parts to be delivered within 24 hours, to minimise any downtime."
"Remote support will include technical help from INEOS HQ, via the phone, SMS, email, or via access to online interactive 3D manuals. Where necessary, a team of ‘Flying Spanners’ mobile technicians will fly out to help customers with no other option."
With two old Land Cruisers, I'm already used to waiting on parts if I can even find them. The Ineos will be one of many vehicles for me, and if Ineos tanks, then so be it. I really like that they are providing free access to online 3D manuals for those of us that like to wrench ourselves. Supporting a company that is willing to do that almost makes it worth the purchase alone.
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Well, LR Defender is not EV either and it is still a sh!tshow in quality.
That isn't what they are doing at all. They have a completely new vehicle on a fully boxed, ladder framed, dual solid axle, full time 4 wheel drive, with proven BMW power plants, and key systems from world class vendors like Brembo, ZF, Tremec, Carraro, Eaton, Eibach, BF Goodrich and Recaro. There is nothing Land Rover or Defender about it, except design hints and nostalgia.
I was being a bit facetious sir…
I’m still bitter Toyota failed with the FJC and didn’t have a 40s-esque removable top and doors model
Speaking of which…. Will these be offered as such? Removable top and doors?
If not, they’ve missed the mark IMHO
Fantastic. BUT it still has be put together and everything has to work together nicely. ZF tranny is not beyond fault. ZF 9-speed for example is bad...oh and that is used in Jeeps too.
When is BMW power plants ever proven?!Jeep Wrangler has fully boxed ladder frame too and dual axles and 4:1 TC and FOX shocks etc. Etc. Yet, it has disappointed you in past, right?
My point is…this is a new manufacturer and will likely have significant growing pains whether it be in design, suppliers, assembly issues, production issues, dealerships, servicing, etc..
How can you put so much faith into a literal unknown? Just because it has pretty shiny parts?
Does the LC need Brembo brakes or ZF tranny or “proven” BMW power plants to be a legendary vehicle?
Charlie…i get your enthusiasm. Great. Hope it goes well for you. But just stating that i am not on bandwagon, esp so darn early in an OEM history!
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Fantastic. But these fine amazing goals are still “ambitions” at this time. I am sure Yugo ambitions at one time were impressive in its day too.
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