I love my 200 and my Grenny too. Very different vehicles. 200 is more versatile and daily commuter friendly. Grenny is a tank with a taller stance, stiffer suspension, and makes me smile
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nuclearbeef
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Same.
I won't be getting rid of my 200.
Nor the Gren, just yet.
The Gren makes me smile. Very stout! Not worried about build quality or long-term reliability.
But...
If I was forced to sell one or the other right now, I'd sell the Gren.
It boils down to 2 main reasons.
1) The ADAS stuff drives me nuts. Hopefully there will be a solution; probably in the form of an aftermarket coder.
2) The Gren is a little shouty for me. Can't go anywhere unnoticed. 200 is much more stealthy. NOBODY but LC people give the 200 a second glance.
But, if you know...; you know.
Grenny looks nice yet is a different offering than a 200 or 300 series. I also would expect issues at >100k miles. Then I really do not like the driver dash or how the steering wheel does not come back to center.
I will enjoy watching them from a distance, like the good locking Land Rovers of this world. Would not spend a penny on them though.
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dms
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I thought it looked black in the picture but the green looks great and appropriate for the vehicle.
Ur money your choice for sure. For durability and dependability i go with my 200 every time.
These cars are cool, and in all the videos I’ve seen the reviewers point to oversized hardware, frames, axels, etc which is great to see. There are clever options like factory lockers, winch, safari windows, the rear door design and the like that makes me feel as though Ineos really attempted to understand their target demographic.
I love that someone is building something like this, and that the “offroading/overlanding” market that seems to have blown up in the last five years may be contributing to new vehicles like this.
That being said I’m not a buyer, yet. I don’t see how it would work for my use case as well as a Landcruiser. I have driven across the US and back on multiple trips, down the East coast, out to CO (from MA) to participate in LCDC, and the like… a new, largely unproven platform with next to no dealer support and a reasonable number of early model gremlins is about the last thing I want to take on a trip like the ones that I do.
There are two local gentlemen that I’ve spoken to thet own these, both own LC/LR SUVs as well. Both vehicles are suffering from electrical issues —one has/had no heat throughout the New England winter and the other one won’t start reliably. The oversized frame and factory winch are not enough to make up for a freezing cold car that won’t start. Just my opinion of course.
I love that someone is building something like this, and that the “offroading/overlanding” market that seems to have blown up in the last five years may be contributing to new vehicles like this.
That being said I’m not a buyer, yet. I don’t see how it would work for my use case as well as a Landcruiser. I have driven across the US and back on multiple trips, down the East coast, out to CO (from MA) to participate in LCDC, and the like… a new, largely unproven platform with next to no dealer support and a reasonable number of early model gremlins is about the last thing I want to take on a trip like the ones that I do.
There are two local gentlemen that I’ve spoken to thet own these, both own LC/LR SUVs as well. Both vehicles are suffering from electrical issues —one has/had no heat throughout the New England winter and the other one won’t start reliably. The oversized frame and factory winch are not enough to make up for a freezing cold car that won’t start. Just my opinion of course.
I’m sure they will get it sorted, if they haven’t already. Yours looks great!
I think the idea for the vehicle is brilliant and I could see owning one in the future if they get the outstanding issues resolved.
Just watched a quick video. Stopped when I saw how the fuel and brake lines were just routed on the of the frame rails - totally exposed. That and nothing underneath looked any more substantial than a 200.
That’s the Land Cruiser difference.
All vital components are tucked up and away out of the area where debris from tires/sticks/rocks can contact it.
I was probably one of the first reservations placed when they opened on 9/30/21. Looked like a potential replacement for the 200 since it was already looking like Toyota was killing off the LC here at that point.
Reluctantly cancelled my reservation after a couple test drives and couldn't be more happy about it in hindsight. It's a super cool vehicle and definitely has the looks, but personally I could just feel the difference in build quality between the 200/IG and that difference was not reflected in the price of the IG. No doubt I would have sold by now with the electrical gremlins folks are experiencing. The ADAS stuff is comical and Ineos' response to those complaints has been to pretty much pound sand.
IMHO, if the IG isn't a daily for you, for this amount of money you'd be better off paying someone to put an 80 frame/suspension under a Defender/RRC/Disco 1 body with an LS swap and end up with a truck with some actual reliability.
Oh, and Ineos losing the "alpine windows" in the LR lawsuit was a real bummer. Personally one of my favorite Defender/Disco features.
Reluctantly cancelled my reservation after a couple test drives and couldn't be more happy about it in hindsight. It's a super cool vehicle and definitely has the looks, but personally I could just feel the difference in build quality between the 200/IG and that difference was not reflected in the price of the IG. No doubt I would have sold by now with the electrical gremlins folks are experiencing. The ADAS stuff is comical and Ineos' response to those complaints has been to pretty much pound sand.
IMHO, if the IG isn't a daily for you, for this amount of money you'd be better off paying someone to put an 80 frame/suspension under a Defender/RRC/Disco 1 body with an LS swap and end up with a truck with some actual reliability.
Oh, and Ineos losing the "alpine windows" in the LR lawsuit was a real bummer. Personally one of my favorite Defender/Disco features.
Yeah, many of the reasons I was an early adopter went out the window. Free repair manuals, warranty service at any Bosch mechanic, etc. Some ADAS stuff I can and do put up with. The beeping for going over the posted speed limit (have to turn off on every restart to avoid) is unacceptable. In many areas you HAVE to speed to keep with traffic.
The funny thing is that even though I cancelled my reservation, they still built it and have been trying to get me to buy it.
Unless a lot of logistical and software issues are addressed, I will be forced to stay away. Since I already have plenty of capable 4x4s, I am in no hurry to pull the trigger on one.
At this point, I wonder if they'll even stay in business. Likely not if they don't address their early adopter complaints. I drove 4 hrs one way to test drive, and was excited, but they simply have not delivered on what they promised. It is still a cool truck, but being brand new they need to go the extra mile for customers.
I'd still buy one if they step up a bit.
There are dozens sitting on the lot by my house. Doesn’t appear they’re moving them in any quantity. Would not be surprised if it flops. Rivian will shortly after, too.
To be fair…..if we are judging a vehicle’s worth by that, then LC200 was a major flop too. So much so that Toyota has basically changed strategy 180 degree and made a bunch of different 4Runners instead.
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What electrical issues?
Who is experiencing software or electrical gremlins?
All over the world after dark tonight all grenadier owners will be out of the house checking their courtesy light switches, those that aren't will not be forum readers. ;) ;) Some of us know the answer, but don’t want to spoil the surprise of finding out. 🙂
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Software updatesWho is experiencing software or electrical gremlins?
All over the world after dark tonight all grenadier owners will be out of the house checking their courtesy light switches, those that aren't will not be forum readers. ;) ;) Some of us know the answer, but don’t want to spoil the surprise of finding out. 🙂
I think you are confusing vehicles worth vs. vehicle sales. Yea, they changed strategy due to poor sales in North America. They still sell a bunch in other countries.To be fair…..if we are judging a vehicle’s worth by that, then LC200 was a major flop too. So much so that Toyota has basically changed strategy 180 degree and made a bunch of different 4Runners instead.
I don't consider the new models downgraded to a 4runner. I think it is more a happy medium. They changed the wheelbase to the 112.2" on all those models which was not the case before, so the 4runner, LC250, and GX550 (Prado) got an upgrade.
Your point here is that the 200 series Land Cruiser sold globally in big quantities is therefore a flop to buy in the US… I think there is just little interest and arguable a need for the best all round SUV there is. I am happy it is exclusive.
What the Grenny will do globally is to be seen. Does not look good.