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I added a couple of washers to my tire mount and the door clears 35's on the factory steel wheels.
I test drove a bunch of gladiators and quite liked them actually. And I have had a Wrangler as a rental for a few days.
The only major issue they have had, which has been common to many diesel engines, is the Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pump issues. Ford and Ram both had issues with the CP4's on the Powerstroke and Cummins engines. Most were not an actual issue in terms of the pumps failing, but Jeep had a recall to replace the pumps. Any Gladiator or Wrangler on a dealer lot right now would have the recall done.
This 3rd Gen EcoD that is in the 2019+ Rams and Wrangler/Gladiator are actually pretty decent. The 2nd gen had some issues because it was spec'd with inappropriate oil.
The ones I drove were great. I really liked the Ecodiesel/8 speed combo.
Yeah, I can't speak to reliability, but a good friend has a Gladiator Rubicon with the EcoDiesel and all he's done is a tune and put 37s on it. It pulls HARD and is damn near unstoppable off-road. Jeep needs to get another more powerful engine in the Gladiator ASAP though, like their turbo I6. The gas Pentastar V6 doesn't have the power for high altitude mountain wheeling.
It'll be interesting to see how Ineos prices the truck version (Quartermaster) of the Grenadier. I'd still go wagon myself, but it's great they are offering a truck. I'm just happy we are getting all these options as 4x4 enthusiasts...
they announce the 4Xe is coming to the Gladiator for 2025. Not sure if that will be the 2.0T or not.
I thought we were not getting the truck here in the US?
The Quartermaster can be ordered now, but is subject to the US truck tariff.
I realize the temptation of a diesel is huge, however the fundamental issues with the DPF regeneration at 1600 to 1700 degr F and the way that is achieved (every 600 miles a 30 min of excess diesel and glow plug action) is bad for any intended use over longer duration and say 100k miles. In the process diesel ends up in the oil and the turbo gets crazy hot). On top you have the finicky ad blue injection system. Do your research online and be ready for high $$$ issues, beyond the HPFP which is another challenge.
I know as I have decided to delete my 2014 BMW 535d and did so as the car was still very good otherwise & already had depreciated to ~$20k, so I decided to do the delete and drive it until it falls over. However, you are not meant to remove the DPF and the NOx cat and it becomes unsellable, certainly not as a trade in.
I believe you. I live in Commiefornia so I just avoided the whole situation and got myself a Ram Power Wagon. I love it, but it's basically a Wrangler Rubicon in Heavy Duty truck form -- which makes it sketchy or untenable on certain narrow trails / shelf roads. Occasionally I forget how massive it is until I part it next to something like a Gladiator haha.
I added an LC100 (LX470) to my garage to be able to tackle narrower trails and for comfort on long road trips with the family + large mastiff dogs. It has been awesome, and I came to develop an appreciation for the whole LC lineup.
However, If I ever had to consolidate down to one 4x4 someday I might consider something like a Grenadier if they prove to be reliable. Or just find a nicely sorted LC200 and live happily ever after
Anyone able to get over the Mini Cooper steering wheel? Biggest design miss for me is that goofy 2-spoke thing. I get they sourced a lot from the BMW group, but BMW themselves have many great wheel templates to choose from.
Its a completely different design. I find the ergonomics of it to be great
I stand corrected, looks to me highly similar to the R56-57 2-spoke wheel in the Minis.
The trend I see with diesels seems to be that the ones that dont get worked hard are the ones that have serious emission systems issues. Its the guys that go out and buy a 6.7L Powerstroke with 1200 ft-lbs of torque and daily drive it so it barely even gets to normal operating temperature and shut them off mid-regen that are all mad cause their DPF clogged up. The guys who hot shot those trucks and are running them under high load day in and day out rarely have those issues because the engine are hot and DPF can regen without a bunch of intervention.
Hell, it was the same thing with the early Ecoboost's in the F150's. Ford designed them for truck work and then you had a bunch of suburban soccer dad's buying them and never hauling anything heavier than some oranges for soccer practice. Ford actually had to neuter parts of the powertrain a couple years after they came out to make them better fit for daily driver service and eliminate some of the early issues. People who worked the trucks regularly didnt have the issues, it was the people who used them as minivans that had most of the problems.
A gladiator Rubicon on 35's or 37's with the Ecodiesel will be putting enough load on that engine with its relatively low displacement and torque that I think it will do fine long term.
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Agree using diesels under load (say 70 to 90%) and for long distances reduces the issues. Less soot and better operating temperatures. Like 18 wheelers. Still the regen puts a ridiculous load on the turbo and deteriorates the oil much quicker with diesel getting past the pistons. At longer oil change intervals this is leading to early bearing failures, from the turbos to the crankshaft. And then the ad blue metering orifice trying to inject very small amounts of urea is prone to failure leading to expensive repairs.
Effectively most vehicle used primarily for passenger transport, from cars to Jeeps to pick ups are really not operated at the right load or will have consistent windows for the 20 to 30 min regens, so it is a poor choice in most cases. Maybe a F250 pulling mostly a fifth wheel is an exception.
Regarding the comparison with Eco boost, I am sorry but I do not agree with the parallel made. That type engine is maybe one step up in complexity vs the natural aspirated engines, perhaps more towards the way turbo diesels used to be. Modern diesels however are several steps more complex. A true mess created by politicians and green parties in Europe, then adopted by many others…
I would strongly advise not to go there, however if it floats your boat then good luck with it!
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Understood that the Ecoboost is not as complex as a diesel. That wasn’t my point. Just that engines designed for a certain use case and used for a different one can have problems as a result, gas or diesel.
Why are we discussing a Ineos in the 200 forum? Anything British car wise has been consistently quirky and bad quality, proven over and over as a bad choice. Finally starting to discuss something technical interesting, just saying.This is the Grenadier thread. Just sayin
Manners. Never too late to learn. Blessings.
maybe @Romer can move the thread finally and let us get back to our 200 series tech talk.