Is a 2003 1hz motor legal to import from Canada?
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http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/documents/3520-1.pdf
unless you are a god, you must choose "E", 21 years or older.
best of luck getting ANY other choice to fly.
so, no 2003
unless you are a god, you must choose "E", 21 years or older.
best of luck getting ANY other choice to fly.
so, no 2003
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Dang, for some reason I thought you could get a motor in Country easier then a whole truck. I had a line on the driveline from a mine truck.
I don't know about your DMV systems over there , but here there is no way of them knowing based on just an engine number what year of vehicle it actually came from without an associated Vin number here.
All you need is a receipt to say I bought an engine out of a (insert year no) and your good.
So long as required emissions equipment is in place on an earlier motor what's to stop you?
Don't ask me how I know , as I wouldn't dream of doing it
All you need is a receipt to say I bought an engine out of a (insert year no) and your good.
So long as required emissions equipment is in place on an earlier motor what's to stop you?
Don't ask me how I know , as I wouldn't dream of doing it
Be very, very, very careful with any mine truck motors. Personally I have seen some which are not even serviceable cores. As boosted noted, it is very difficult for anyone to know the age of the motor, as the 1HZ has been in production since the 90's.
since no one took the time to read the EPA form I will leave this here:
"Any person who knowingly makes any false or fraudulent statement, or omits or conceals a material fact can be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned for up to 5 years, or both (18 USC 1001). Any person who improperly imports a motor vehicle (including a motorcycle) or engine may be fined up to $32,500 per vehicle or engine (42 USC 7524), and may be subject to forfeiture of the entire importation bond, if applicable (40 CFR 85.1513), and the U.S.Customs Service may seize the vehicle or engine (19 CFR 162.21)"
1999 + hz engines have a bolt on timing belt cover vs a pre 1999 which has clips and bolts.
Before this form one could claim "forklift engine" and walk into the US. Then, 2010 came along and this for does not allow that at all. Customs does not even care, in one ear out the other. YOU MUST HAVE THIS FORM TO BRING IN ANY ENGINE NOW.
$250,000/5 years in club fed, $32,500 for trying.
"Any person who knowingly makes any false or fraudulent statement, or omits or conceals a material fact can be fined up to $250,000 or imprisoned for up to 5 years, or both (18 USC 1001). Any person who improperly imports a motor vehicle (including a motorcycle) or engine may be fined up to $32,500 per vehicle or engine (42 USC 7524), and may be subject to forfeiture of the entire importation bond, if applicable (40 CFR 85.1513), and the U.S.Customs Service may seize the vehicle or engine (19 CFR 162.21)"
1999 + hz engines have a bolt on timing belt cover vs a pre 1999 which has clips and bolts.
Before this form one could claim "forklift engine" and walk into the US. Then, 2010 came along and this for does not allow that at all. Customs does not even care, in one ear out the other. YOU MUST HAVE THIS FORM TO BRING IN ANY ENGINE NOW.
$250,000/5 years in club fed, $32,500 for trying.
So you will need to get a camshaft oil seal retainer as well then..
http://shop.cruiserparts.net/index....=35095&zenid=c583d44e9063b1211fb3e242460fc151
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"Vehicles at least 21 years old with replacement engines are not eligible for this exemption unless they contain equivalent or newer EPA certified engines"
So I can import a 25 yr old truck that at some point had original 3B engine replaced by an "equivalent" 20 year old 3B engine ???
So I can import a 25 yr old truck that at some point had original 3B engine replaced by an "equivalent" 20 year old 3B engine ???
While this is no way a sure thing, I found a mine truck 1HZ as a core, it ran, but I knew I would rebuild. I drove the 12 hours, picked it up, drove back and they stopped me at the border. it was a 1993 to go in my 1989 FJ62. They looked into it for a while, talked about charging me a duty but in the end, let me go with no duty. Since my truck is that old, Vermont did not even inspect.
find the threads on the web on the land rover guys and their issues.
Yes, you might find a crossing w/o issue, but last year at both the Sumas Washington and Plentywood Montana crossings the paperwork was mandatory, engine w/o a truck to ID to.
Same engine replacements should not raise a flag. If you put any other engine in customs may stop the truck dead and you will have to pay shipping to return to origin.
Yes, you might find a crossing w/o issue, but last year at both the Sumas Washington and Plentywood Montana crossings the paperwork was mandatory, engine w/o a truck to ID to.
Same engine replacements should not raise a flag. If you put any other engine in customs may stop the truck dead and you will have to pay shipping to return to origin.
I'm unsure on this. I have sourced brand new 1HZ short blocks through normal supply lines with TMS. How do we explain that one?
I'm still wondering how the hell these guys import their motors:
Diesel Toys
I took a hard look at buying a 62 and having it converted, but it seemed like too much of a risk to me. I wonder if this is the next house of cards to come crashing down via Homeland Security??
Diesel Toys
I took a hard look at buying a 62 and having it converted, but it seemed like too much of a risk to me. I wonder if this is the next house of cards to come crashing down via Homeland Security??
I'm unsure on this. I have sourced brand new 1HZ short blocks through normal supply lines with TMS. How do we explain that one?
I wonder what the "rules" are regarding building a motor out of bits and pieces. Nothing imported, just parts bought in the US and assembled.
No kidding, they are offering turnkey services, drop-down choices of motors which are not yet anywhere near the 21 year rule. There is flying under the radar, and this is the opposite.
I'm sure every experience will be different depending on the agent, but I brought a 1991 1HD-T across the border today and the only thing the guys cared about was what I paid for it and making sure they got a 3% tariff on it (which I was able to negotiate down to around 2%, believe it or not). I didn't volunteer that it was a diesel, just that it was a Toyota and they didn't ask until I had paid out and was just a matter of curiosity. No EPA nothing. Just saying.
dirtyboots
Atrocious Driving
To answer the op's question, no it's not legal. It's not legal to do a lot of things, and nobody cares, as evidenced by
@Leitrum3 experience. It's just a guess but the diesel motor smack down is probably not a priority to CBP as compared to WMDs, human trafficking, and drugs. Meh, or I could be wrong, just my .02.
@Leitrum3 experience. It's just a guess but the diesel motor smack down is probably not a priority to CBP as compared to WMDs, human trafficking, and drugs. Meh, or I could be wrong, just my .02.
I don't know that I would call it illegal, per se, it seems to me that it's a bit of a grey area. Like so much of life.
So I have poured over countless import documents, EPA,CBP.. for importing an engine that is not 25yrs old. Firstly, much of the literature focuses on vehicles with engines, and the DOT regulations. Much of the information misses simple engine importation regulations and the EPA would like you to believe the only way you will get an engine in this country is with an existing certificate of conformity. The EPA claims they do not track the engine name/number(1KD,1HD....) What is not spelled out in any of the documents I've read is what constitutes a complete engine, and what deems engine parts. This is what I am trying to figure out now. Since the EPA documents do not indicate the difference between an engine and engine parts, it is my understanding that I can import engine parts without issue from government agencies. I am still doing more research.
Something else that may help here, many Toyota diesels are found in marinized applications...try Nanni-Diesel. They have been importing these awesome Toyota diesels in a marinized form for a few years and have EPA certificates of conformity for the engines(NanniIndustries). I went and spoke to a local boat dealer that sells these engines, and asked him what happens if a customers engine dies/seized? He said they contact the manufacturer and they send them a long block. So i asked for a quote on a long block...$13K for a 1KD...haha. What is interesting is that Nanni-Diesel proudly shows that they use robust Toyota diesel engines, and will ship you a long block. Keep in mind that I have not been able to find a record of the 1KD tested by the EPA under Toyota. The EPA states the importing company is responsible(Nanni-Diesel), and that importing a Toyota 1KD would need a Toyota certificate to be legal. Confused yet? Or is this OK to do because a long block is considered an engine part since it is lacking necessary parts to make it function?
I placed a call to the EPA, and they said if it has a crank in the block it is considered an engine. However, I have not been able to find this data in written form. And there is no record of Toyota testing this engine for EPA, only Nanni-Diesel. With that said, as mentioned, there is a company bringing in these engines by the container load. Obviously they have their ducks in a row, and good for them. They offer there service as 'for offroad use only', what the customer does after that is their business.
Something else that may help here, many Toyota diesels are found in marinized applications...try Nanni-Diesel. They have been importing these awesome Toyota diesels in a marinized form for a few years and have EPA certificates of conformity for the engines(NanniIndustries). I went and spoke to a local boat dealer that sells these engines, and asked him what happens if a customers engine dies/seized? He said they contact the manufacturer and they send them a long block. So i asked for a quote on a long block...$13K for a 1KD...haha. What is interesting is that Nanni-Diesel proudly shows that they use robust Toyota diesel engines, and will ship you a long block. Keep in mind that I have not been able to find a record of the 1KD tested by the EPA under Toyota. The EPA states the importing company is responsible(Nanni-Diesel), and that importing a Toyota 1KD would need a Toyota certificate to be legal. Confused yet? Or is this OK to do because a long block is considered an engine part since it is lacking necessary parts to make it function?
I placed a call to the EPA, and they said if it has a crank in the block it is considered an engine. However, I have not been able to find this data in written form. And there is no record of Toyota testing this engine for EPA, only Nanni-Diesel. With that said, as mentioned, there is a company bringing in these engines by the container load. Obviously they have their ducks in a row, and good for them. They offer there service as 'for offroad use only', what the customer does after that is their business.
Yanmar 6LPA = Toyota 1HDFT
And you can buy it (and parts) in the US.
And you can buy it (and parts) in the US.
