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Absolutely not. I even told them that I didn't think it was right that were supposed to trust they'll do the right thing when they cut open a filter but I don't get the same trust in return.
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Absolutely not. I even told them that I didn't think it was right that were supposed to trust they'll do the right thing when they cut open a filter but I don't get the same trust in return.
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This is a good point. For that matter the filters are made less than 2 hours from my house, I could have drove it to there facility for dissection.
Rivman1243
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For what it's worth I had a wix oil filter on my engine and it had very low oil pressure. Changed oil and filter and the pressure came right back to where it was before the wix filter. Oil and filter had about 2k miles on it.
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Since this thread is now filled with oil filter experts, I have a question. My filter sounds empty, is that normal or do I have a defective drainback valve?
Wow seriously?
Is that directed at me? Because I'm asking for help here. I've never had a vehicle with an upside down filter so I don't know what's normal.
Can't say whether or not your filter's anti-drainback valve (IF it has one) is working correctly or not. 'Fram' rather suggests (in their literature) that over an extended period of time, oil could leak past one anyway. I would think a 'inverted' vertically mounted filter would be particularly susceptible to this. But I doubt 'thumping' the filter like a water melon would be an accurate way to tell.
FAQs| FRAM
"Anti-Drainback Valve. Some oil filter mountings may allow oil to drain out of the filter through the oil pump when the engine is stopped. When the engine is next started, oil must refill the filter before full oil pressure reaches the engine. The anti-drainback valve, included in the filter when required, prevents oil from draining out of the filter. This anti-drainback valve is actually a rubber flap that covers the inside of the inlet holes of the filter. When the oil pump starts pumping oil, the pressure will unseat the flap. The purpose of this valve is to keep the oil filter filled at all times, so when the engine is started there will be an almost instantaneous supply of oil to the engine.
Note On Dry Starts: If a vehicle has not been operated for several days or after the oil and filter is changed, some oil may have drained from the filter in spite of the special valves. This is why it is always a good idea to start the engine slowly, letting it run on idle for 30-60 seconds so the lubrication system will be fully charged with oil before a heavy load is placed on the engine."
The filter absolutely sounds different based on whether it has oil in it or not. When I first put in on, it made the hollow tapping sound. When I started the motor and ran it for a minute it had a nice deep thud. And, after 2 days of sitting it is back to the hollow sound.
My question was more about whether the inner/outer chamber is supposed to have oil in because I don't know exactly how the filter is set up. I guess I just won't worry about it and make my own thread if my engine dies in a few weeks.
My question was more about whether the inner/outer chamber is supposed to have oil in because I don't know exactly how the filter is set up. I guess I just won't worry about it and make my own thread if my engine dies in a few weeks.
My suggestion would be to remove the generic white filter that may have set you back 3 bucks at the most and replace it with a Toyota or other high end filter.
...it's a $15 Napa Gold 1773 which is a made in USA rebranded WIX filter. I wasn't aware that WIX was a garbage-tier filter. Next time I will order a $4 made in Thailand Toyota filter but in the interim it would be lovely if someone could chime in with some actual technical knowledge about whether or not it's normal for oil to drain out of the outside of the filter over a few days. Maybe if I draw a Toyota sombrero on it someone will help me out here?
$3.45 each is purchases in a 10 pack
Ten (10) 90915-YZZD1 Genuine Toyota Oil Filters w/ Drain Gaskets Avalon Camry | eBay
Ten (10) 90915-YZZD1 Genuine Toyota Oil Filters w/ Drain Gaskets Avalon Camry | eBay
LFD2037
TEXAS LEXUS!
Any proof that new'ish Yota filter is any better than, say, a Wix/Napa Gold? This 1 thread on how bad a Wix filter is holds almost zero gravity compared to the 100's, if not 1,000's of positive threads/research of the Wix/Napa Gold filters.
I may be out of the loop a couple years on oil filters so I'm sincerely asking the above. Thanks!
I may be out of the loop a couple years on oil filters so I'm sincerely asking the above. Thanks!
Cruiserdrew
On the way there
Let's be serious here. Wix/NapaGold is a great filter. Millions of cars are running them right now with no problems. The OP got a bad one, maybe. I have 4 running (successfully) on 4 Land Cruisers, right now. Maybe the OP got the on in one million defective ones. Who knows.
But Toyota makes good filters. The longevity of their motors is partial proof of this. And since the D3's are $4 on Amazon now, that's all I'm using from now on. Made in Thailand. Cool. Thailand is awesome. And if @beno ever opens back up for business, I'm buying some -xxx10's from him. It just seems right to run them on "traditional" Land Cruisers.
But Toyota makes good filters. The longevity of their motors is partial proof of this. And since the D3's are $4 on Amazon now, that's all I'm using from now on. Made in Thailand. Cool. Thailand is awesome. And if @beno ever opens back up for business, I'm buying some -xxx10's from him. It just seems right to run them on "traditional" Land Cruisers.
If you will revisit my reply in post #147 you will find I DID provide you just such information (from FRAM'S own literature).
(Note On Dry Starts: If a vehicle has not been operated for several days or after the oil and filter is changed, some oil may have drained from the filter in spite of the special valves. This is why it is always a good idea to start the engine slowly, letting it run on idle for 30-60 seconds so the lubrication system will be fully charged with oil before a heavy load is placed on the engine.")
Had you informed us of the distinctly different sounds of the filter (full vs. not full) in your first post, that would have been helpful. You have answered your own question (yes your filter sounds as if it is not full). FRAM basically says...that is normal if it has set for an extended period of time.
LFD2037
TEXAS LEXUS!
This guy does a VERY in depth comparison in the Yota filter VS. the Wix. It appears the Wix uses some of the same pieces as Amsoil & appears to be better than the Amsoil.
Toyota Oil Filter (Made in Thailand) vs. the competition........
Toyota Oil Filter (Made in Thailand) vs. the competition........
Thank you. Yes, I did read your post and noticed the bit about draining out being somewhat normal. I was wondering more about the specifics of the 3FE setup since the filter is vertical and the pump is down in the sump. When I start it, it does take 2-3 seconds for pressure to register on the gauge. I'm not positive if that's normal or I have a time bomb on my hands. I just get a little frustrated when I do hours of research and conclude that WIX filters are some of the best (and not cheap either), only to get shot down immediately for buying the "wrong" filter.
Research for what? Toyota did it already lol. Buy denso or toyota and you'll be fine. The level that people go to not buy oem amazes me.
I don't really care about anyone's filter preferences. If I wanted to listen to pedants lay into me about filters I'd just go over to BITOG.
But yet you spew your nonsense about how great wix is.
I haven't "spewed" anything to anyone about "how great" wix filters are. In fact, if I have a defective one that would kinda be the opposite, yeah? It sounds sort of nonsensical to imply that I am some sort of Wix fanboy. I read online they are good filters, and I bought one. It's the first one I have ever bought. Normally I get purolator golds because I also read online they are good filters. I don't have time to buy one of every filter and take them apart to inspect them, so I have to rely on data from others. I think this is pretty normal. I thought I was buying a premium quality filter based on what I have read and the reviews I have seen. Since apparently this is a major affront to all things Land Cruiser, I probably won't buy one again.
I'm not sure what is happening on this lovely holiday weekend to make you so bitter, but it would be great if you could either provide some useful information (like @flintknapper and @LFD2037 did) or just lay off with your opinion because it's nonsensical spewing as far as I am concerned.
I'm not sure what is happening on this lovely holiday weekend to make you so bitter, but it would be great if you could either provide some useful information (like @flintknapper and @LFD2037 did) or just lay off with your opinion because it's nonsensical spewing as far as I am concerned.
