I want my 80 to last forever, but...

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Sorry but dealers will take cash over financing any day of the week. Cash is king.

Wrong wrong wrong. Like Scott I had two times in my life when I had the means to pay cash for a vehicle. One with my 2001 Audi A4 and once with my LX back in 97. Both times I negotiated price before I let them work their voodoo for financing. After the price was agreed upon I pulled out my checkbook. On the Audi they were so pissed off they asked me to find another dealer. I did and wound up going with their financing and paid off after 90 days because they had some stupid 90 day pre-payment penalty. On the LX, I wanted it so much I secured my own financing thru my bank and didn't use theirs. Major headache to try and buy a car.
 
Not to keep this thread going even longer past the dead horse stage, but I'm having a crisis of faith with my 80 and I haven't heard anybody address this issue. While I would love for my 80 to last forever, the maintenance time/effort/$$ required to make it last is not insignificant. My seats are shot and downright painful (no cheap fix), she's in need of several too-long-deferred repairs (brakes, bushings, tires, peeling paint, etc.) and with 235K on the clock on the original motor and HG, on an almost 20-year-old truck, I have a lot of work and expense and time under the hood ahead of me. Would I prefer my 80 in tip-top shape over a Tundra, or an FJ, or a Tacoma, or a ? Absolutely. Unfortunately, it isn't in tip-top shape. My main issue (and I would think many of us share in this), is that while I would really rather drop $15-20K into the 80 to bring it back to glory, I don't have the cash to do that. Financing repairs for a 19-year-old Cruiser isn't on my credit union's list of acceptable loans. Yeah, I could spread the repairs out and save up until I have cash for each and just take them down one by one, but I've let too many things go for too long. Yes, the 80 is paid for and while financing a new truck of some sort seems like a horrible waste of money for a downgrade in vehicle from the 80 (and everything out there is), spending several thousand dollars on the 80 doesn't seem like a very wise long-term investment either. So conflicted. One minute I'm ready to order $1K worth of foam and leather for the seats, start in on my long list of needed repairs and just keep the 80. The next minute, I am REALLY ready to quit wrenching and just go buy a new FJ Cruiser. Then, I think about all the 80-ness I'll be losing and I'm right back where I started.

In the simplest terms, the 80 is not replaceable in the US market. I spent the money and did all of the above. It is no longer my daily driver and I plan to keep it until I am too old to drive it.
 
Intial dealer quotes for a tacoma v6 double cab manual are 30,167. Thats what I would drive. Rcv front axle shafts, full float rear conversion, and arb's.

How much do you think you could haggle a dealer down from that price?
 
EPB, watch the Chicago autoshow for off-road trucks. Or go to ispot.TV and search for toyota TRD pro for a teaser. we have some nice vehicles coming out. Also, to clear the air, FJ Cruiser was cancelled because it drags down fleet emissions. Finally, a lot of guys on here don't give Toyota enough credit for the off-the-lot capability of Toyota Trucks lately. You won't find terrain here which can even compare to the environments LC and its little brother IMV are designed for DD use. I know the requirements because I work for Mr. T as a chassis engineer. We design an amazing product.

Any truly capable off reader is going to drag down fleet emissions. Solid front axles weigh more than IFS and are more expensive to make. This is about profits and nothing else. Toyota has essentially abandoned the off road community that helped make Toyota successful in the first place.
 
EPB,

we have someNICELY MARKETED vehicles coming out.

I know the requirements because I work for Mr. T as a chassis engineer.

We design an amazing-ly MARKETED product.

Fixed for accuracy.

Nothing against Golgo13, but it is because of the Americanization of Toyota (and Toyota products) that we are lamenting the demise of truly great vehicles coming out of Toyota-chi.

Toyota is now like all of the other mass conglomerates who operate on the laurels of its once great heritage and past.

Toyota today is a shell of it's younger self. :meh:
 
Not my experience. They love cash.

And respectfully disagree about Toyota being a shadow of former self. They push out amazing vehicles true to their heritage.

I love all LCs but the 200 is the best made to date.

This type of loving what is no longer made rings true in other forums. Cough Porsche 911.
 
Not my experience. They love cash. And respectfully disagree about Toyota being a shadow of former self. They push out amazing vehicles true to their heritage. I love all LCs but the 200 is the best made to date. This type of loving what is no longer made rings true in other forums. Cough Porsche 911.
What is so great about the 200 from previous years functionality wise besides heated and cooled seats, navigation and a electronic lift gate?

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Not my experience. They love cash. And respectfully disagree about Toyota being a shadow of former self. They push out amazing vehicles true to their heritage. I love all LCs but the 200 is the best made to date. This type of loving what is no longer made rings true in other forums. Cough Porsche 911.

Have you ever driven an 80 series off road vs. a 200 series?

If you had, you would have noticed how much more the 80 series has all 4 wheels on the ground. This is not about nostalgia, it is about performance.
 
Porsche could have a more capable vehicle if they didn't stick so hard to heritage.... The engine behind the axle is ridiculous anymore, even their flagships are mid-engine.

I agree with Beno, Toyota Motor Company is not the one I grew up with. They have fallen into the profits trap. Just because they have doodads and more bells and whistles does not make them a better vehicle. When Toyota pickups were going up against their domestic counter parts they didn't win my loyalty because they had the same doodads they won because they were a no frills, over built, well engineered, better materials, higher quality option. I no longer see that.... The Tundra being built in San Antonio is ehh, living in San Antonio and meeting a bunch of the workers does not instill confidence in the product. Late 90's was the last of the Toyota Heyday in my opinion.

FZJ80>FZJ100 ;)
LS430>LS460
Toyota Pickup>Tacoma
3rd Gen 4runner>4th Gen

etc.
 
These topics are better discussed over beer or mezcal.

It's a religious discussion. If you guys don't get the 911, well, hen you're really no different than the range rover or jeep guys calling the LC pedestrian with no soul.

Try to keep an open mind. Material things don't have to always resort to a diq measuring contest.

If the past was always better I'd still be going clubbing in Vegas bumping and grinding on 20 something arse to... The eagles. No Thank you. Hova!
 
Fact is there is more pavement then dirt roads period. If you owned a business where you manufactured
something only a minority will buy, the profit is .... to slim.
We all own vehicles where they only made 11500 a year.
 
Toyota today is a shell of it's younger self. :meh:

so are you and I :flipoff2:

and "everything was better back when" is the lament of the ages :meh:
 
I have never understood the hard on people get for 911s or Porsche in general.

I wouldn't either on American roads ;p - entirely different ballgame on the Autobahn
 
Fact is there is more pavement then dirt roads period. If you owned a business where you manufactured
something only a minority will buy, the profit is .... to slim.
We all own vehicles where they only made 11500 a year.


How many 80s and 100s were sold in USA?
 
11500 yearly. USA only.
 
You have all seen how you can now buy a 40 or early bronco brand new. Would you buy a brand new 80 if you could?

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Of course I would! I ordered a brand new Delorean a few years ago for $65k and it was totally worth it. Granted I've had three of them and dumped countless cash into s***ty cars but having one that is new and perfect is priceless. 80's are a labor of love and I'll hopefully always have one. Ya can't get any other new SUV built that well and has a solid front axle factory. I doubt I'll ever get all my money back out of it but you only live once so I prefer to drive what I want and be different
 
I think there is a market for it, small but think there is one as these rigs are a dying breed with today's market and gas prices...

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