I might have killed my Orion

[treerootCO]

Why becasue I read every single write-up out there and never knew I needed a spacer. I will add this to my write-up as soon as I get a spacer machined to the correct size.

No worries, only a $1,000 dollar mistake

Have you ever used a spacer on a 465 install Texican?

 

[Texican]

I've done 2 SM465 conversions both used the long AA adapter, so I'm out here.......Nolen ran the 10 spline plate version but he forgets anything the minute he gets done, and Greg Kemper runs the 10 spline plate type, don't know how many plate/420 conversions I've done, all of them use a bearing.
BTW I was just f'n with ya, did it ruin the case?

 

[treerootCO]

I knew you were joking

The gear machined off about 1/8" of metal. There is a risk that the input seal may move because the lip is missing. Other than that possibility everything else is fine. I'm am going to run it.

 

[Texican]

I knew you were joking

The gear machined off about 1/8" of metal. There is a risk that the input seal may move because the lip is missing. Other than that possibility everything else is fine. I'm am going to run it.

Worse case it pumps the fluid from the t case to the trans and you rig a hose to connect them..............
Butch

 

[peesalot]

No Steve ( POSER ) I got the kit that actually has a replacement output for the 420 which is longer than stock. I am familiar with the 465 spud shaft design and the shoulder on the spud that would hold bearing inner race and inner race then holds input gear but on the no spud style like mine the bearing is trapped by the adapter but the inner race isn't held by any shoulder or snap ring which makes me think the thrust force of the input gear may just fry that bearing . The longer output from A/A is just splined all the way thru and IIRC there was no shoulder to hold that bearing , i'LL CHECK MY SPARE TO SEE....

 

[Pin_Head]

The case looks fine. You have plenty of meat left in an area where it isn't particularly important. If you had to pick an area to grind a gear on, this would be the one to pick. Put it back together and run the hell out of it.

 

[65swb45]

EXACTLY Brian...


That IS the spacer that I have in stock, and used on all 420 and 465 plate style conversions, since 1993.






-Steve

If you need any of those, I pulled a box off the shelf today that had 30 of those spacers in it.

 

[peesalot]

well , it is a fine time to find em now Mark .

 

[treerootCO]

Just got off the phone with Dustin from Advance Adapters. We talked about the use of a non OEM transmission with the plate style adapters.

As soon as I get the spacer machined up, I'll post up the deminsions.

 

[65swb45]

For those who want to go Poser's route, took a pic of some of the sleeves I had in the box:

Don't really know what their worth, but I'd take a $10 donation to the Friends of the Rubicon it that works for ya, and you're not inclined to reinvent the wheel.

 

[Chef]

Chef's orion shifting woes

Briefly, Steve Cramer, aka Posuer, is pretty smart. My Orion mostly went together fine. AA installed the idler cluster, which I had to remove to get the low range gear in. Thanks AA. Rest of the job went just like any other one piece transfer rebuild. Orion ran great for about two weeks, then started popping out of 2hi once and a while. I ruled out shift linkage, and spent a bunch of time talking to Cramer. Some thoughts and my possible solution for my cae are below. I believe the case of it all in my case was the case was machined too deep where the shift fork locator tab goes...read on:

Steve, thanks for taking time to help me thru all that. There was about .070 for the shift collar to move back towards the low speed gear with it engaged in the low speed detent. In the high range position, it was missing going all the way into detent by ~ .040, and the shift collar was htting the high range gear. I shimmed the shift rail locator tab back .050, leaving about .010 of free playfor the collar to float in both high engaged, and low engaged. Seems to be ok now in my short test drive. I plan to commute with 'er as much as possible before Ramble, maybe get out on some trails this coming weekend. It was alwys fine in low, but popped out of 2hi several times on the street. It did not appear to be a shift linkage problem, but rather a case machining error leading to shift rail detent misalignment. Feel free to post this in whichever thread you think it ought to go in. I hope you never hear from me on this subject again except perhaps to say "it's all still fine"

Thanks, Alan

 

[wngrog]

BTW, I drained mine on Sat and there were no shavings in mine. Poser put it together and it is perfect. Fluid was clean as new.

 

[treerootCO]

I am going to call CDan....85.00 for the high low shift collar? That can't be right...

The detent ball was only a dollar...the talks with AA has led to a discussion that not all of the detent balls were the same size so I'll buy another for piece of mind. I lost a few marbles anyway.

 

[Pin_Head]

....85.00 for the high low shift collar? That can't be right...

.

SOR lists them for $68 on line, in stock, but they will charge you an extra $5 for packaging.

 

[treerootCO]

Just got off the phone with CruiserDan...the high/low shift collar is no longer available.

**edit** I gave him the wrong part number. The 2-4 collar/sleeve is no longer available. The high/low sleeve is avaialble. part number 36235-60011

 

[woody]

Just got off the phone with CruiserDan...the high/low shift collar is no longer available.

I've likely got one or three laying around.....pop a pic of what it outta look like, and I'll dig thru the parts pile.

 

[65swb45]

Just got off the phone with CruiserDan...the high/low shift collar is no longer available.

WHAT? That makes NO SENSE at all. I've got boxes and boxes of them. Is it the FJ40 type or the FJ60 type?

 

[mustardfj40]

I got a new hi/low shift collar from Stevens Creek Toyota (TLCA bussiness member) about 2-3 mos back for around 55 bucks. I have an used one if you need it...yours for nothing...

/td

 

[honk]

I just bought a new collar from SOR about a month ago. They're in stock new or used. Shift fork is also available new. Maybe you didn't make clear to Dan what part is wanted?

But it's not the collar that wears much, if at all. It's the shift fork. I miked the new collar and found it to be within a couple of tenths (.0001") of the old one. But if there's any wear to the fork arms at all it'll affect how far the collar will move. Insufficient move - pop out of gear.

all this is true for both shifters in transfercases.

 

[treerootCO]

I think I had the wrong part number when I called Dan yesterday. The part I am looking for is the high/low shift collar. #23 in this picture:

http://www.sor.com/sor/cat070.tam?xax=7673

The number I had from Stevenson Toyota was #27 in the same picture.

I'll call Dan about part #23 when I get home. I have a few used ones, but since I have her all apart, I figured I should replace it with new while I have the chance. I really dislike it when my Orion pops into neutral. I like it when my engine holds me back and all sorts of evil can happen if the Orion decides to choose neutral on a steep hill, or a corner, or a.........