HZJ77 Rear wheel spin with brakes applied?

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First, I have to say I haven't noticed anything wrong with the truck. It stops the way it always has (terribly), and powers through 20" of snow like it's bare asphalt.

However, yesterday I just happened to look at my reflection in the window as I was about to pull away and I noticed the right rear tire was spinning while I had the brake on.
Here's the scenario - I was partially pulled up onto a huge snow bank to get out of traffic, so the rear tire had very little traction. The hubs were locked, but in 2WD at this point.

• When in park, rear wheel does not spin.
• When in drive or reverse, with foot on the brake, wheel spins. Quickly, not slowly - there is no resistance at all from the brakes.
• In neutral, wheel does not spin (obviously)
• When in drive, with brakes on, wheel is spinning, but as soon as I engage 4WD, which was not pleasant and probably a mistake in hindsight, the wheel stopped spinning. Which makes even less sense to me since the wheel with the least traction should get the power right?

I live in Minnesota, and my truck doesn't fit in my garage, so I have limited ability to diagnose this with all the snow and ice in my driveway, but I can probably get it on jack stands. I would like to get your thoughts though. I do have an OME lift, which I've heard can affect the proportioning valve. If I'm honest, I wouldn't be surprised if there was zero braking power on the rear wheels - that's how well it stops. I don't think the pads are bad, but I can check - however they were all replaced at the same time and the fronts are still fine. Even bad pads should still grip a wheel though.

I'm thinking it could be one of the following:
• Need adjustment to prop valve
• Need new brake lines because there's a blockage to the rear
• Need new master cylinder - pedal is not soft though
• Something I'm not thinking of

How would go you about deciding which of these it might be? I have a video if you really want to see it.
 
Hey @Cothran,

If you can put your LC in a warm garage do that. I am assuming here that you have drum brakes in the rear, so bear with me if you have rear disks. However, driving through the snow and the vehicle is warm, you are getting moisture and snow/water from melting into the rear drums, you park and it freezes so when you head out again the rear brakes are frozen. Warm them up again somewhere, or less desirable, go back there with a hammer and wack the drums to break apart the ice and free up the components.

The rear wheel stops spinning when it is in 4WD because now the rear wheels are locked with the fronts where the brakes are still working. And yes, you should never engage 4WD when the rears are spinning. I am sure the sound was not nice.

Give that a try before digging any deeper and ripping things apart. Good luck! :cheers:
 
Since they’re discs I would recommend checking the pads and calipers for wear and proper operation, then move on to bleeding the brakes. Sounds to me like you either have no pad left or a seized caliper. A bad master cylinder would probably knock out more than one brake.
 
It's most likely your LSPV (load sensing proportioning valve) seizing or sticking internally not sending any pressure to the rears.

If the vehicle is lifted, the LSPV needs to be lifted as well. Lots of guys don't do this, and then their brakes suck.

Read this and also the @Felde post that I reference in there.


You also just buy a new LSPV and cable super cheaply. Part numbers are in there.
 

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