how to verify if rig is a factory soft top model?

[honk]

Although my FST BJ40 is a 1977 model and was not a model imported to North America there is one thing it has that noone has mentioned yet. It has seven (7) 6mm threaded holes that attach the OEM piece that holds down the front of the soft top. The holes are spaced all the way across the top of the window frame. ......(actually, I've never noticed if hardtop models have them too).

 

[shelfboy1]

the rear tailgate has 3 hinges across the bottom plus the latches on the body that hold it close have 2 bolts horizontal that hold them on and no holes for the swing style gates if you dont have extra holes or patched holes around the swing down gate its fst my 70 and 71 have all the holes for the softop but are hardtops and have swingout gates so i beleive the rear quarter are a bit different on the fst hope this helps

 

[Coolerman]

Cool that answers the question about the evenly spaced holes. I have the jack tool clips. Got them in a box of junk I won off E-Bay. Now to figure out what those small center holes were for. I have looked at hundreds of pic on the web and have never seen anything mounted there. I know it's factory as the backing plate is spot welded on. See the close up pic.

I know mine was an original FST. I have the drop gate, all the holes for the soft top bows, the light on the passenger dash next to glove box, holes for the safety strap rings in the dash and even have the strap brackets behind the seats where the other end of the straps attach. I had the straps themselves but they were rotted and like an idiot I threw them away... The only thing I don't have is the 1/2 door hinges. At some point a PO swapped to a hard top.

 

[treerootCO]

I have a '73 factory soft top FJ40 if you need more pics. I sold it to goodnight but he hasn't taken delivery yet...

 

[Coolerman]

Since this comes up so often why don't you shoot a series of pics that show all the mentioned ways to tell that you have a soft top model? I wouls like to see close up pics of the tops of the wheel wells , both sides.

 

[honk]

Coolerman,

I don't think that all of the telltale features are carved in stone, and many combinations seem to have been put together. My '77 FST, for example, although not typical of US imported trucks, does not appear to have been designed to run with the front doors off as it does not have safety strap holes or the slide apart hinges. Mine also has what can be called soft ambulance doors - they are swinging doors made of steel at the bottom with detachable upper halves made of canvas on a frame. The upper parts remove very much like a window channel in a side door. Who knows if trucks like mine were configured by Toyota in earlier years as well?

 

[Coolerman]

Good point.... Maybe start a collection of pics of all the various combinations that are out there. I had not heard of the soft half ambulance door before. Got pics?

 

[Razor]

Greetings,
I have (for a week or 2) a completely original titled as a 1966 FJ40 FST......top has never been off the truck....truck sits how it came off the lot new in 66-67, this one has the rear tail gate.

Manual states:

-Cowl Ventilator Handle...(for canvas top models)
-Cowl side Ventilator..(for canvas top models)
-Seat adjustment...(for canvas top models)



if you need more pics,,,,let me know asap !!

I also have the original Owners manual & Title......

Hope I can help.....::

More pics here:

http://66.241.229.6/chop/66/

 

[Dusty 66]

very nice !
what a treasure thats too cool
I would like see more of the dash and the room light etc ...Dusty

 

[kbill45]

On my 76 soft top those 2 ears at the top of the windshield with a hole to secure the top were like cut off at an angle. Never paid any attention until I saw annother soft top model. I bought this truck with only a bikini. A puzzler too, Could never make a K Line top fit right. Tried to return it but that was right when they went tits up.

 

[Dusty 66]

Greetings,
I have (for a week or 2) a completely original titled as a 1966 FJ40 FST......top has never been off the truck....truck sits how it came off the lot new in 66-67, this one has the rear tail gate.

Manual states:

-Cowl Ventilator Handle...(for canvas top models)
-Cowl side Ventilator..(for canvas top models)
-Seat adjustment...(for canvas top models)



if you need more pics,,,,let me know asap !!

I also have the original Owners manual & Title......

Hope I can help.....::

More pics here:

http://66.241.229.6/chop/66/

I would really like to know how and the soft tops options for different years and markets were put together .....?
1/66FJ40 FJ~ 42537 Vin plate on right inner fender. have dealer invoice sold in Henderson NV @ Norm Baker Motors I bought mine in the mid 80 with 36,000 miles on it. with no repaint only mod was spot light and best top and doors, from the second owner who through away the original bows and doors it came with a solid windshield frame and a factory heater, rings in dash and safety straps and soft top hinges, fold down tailgate,no footman loops were evident in the body , there were a lot of holes for the twist fasteners and a couple twist fasteners in the glove box I will be putting a repo soft top and hard doors on it eventually

The back up light not original to truck added during body work Thanks Dusty

 

[Living in the Past]

SOR site shows that 66 being produced in April of 1965. I just did a search on the 40 forum using VIN SOR and found the link. Is that 9-2-65 the date it was first registered? The owners manual looks like one I have for a 62 or 63 FJ40. All the ones I seen for the 65 thru 71 blue with a picture of the front of a FJ40. So have you decided to keep it ?

The two ears, are those the one for the hard tops? The ones on the outside edge of the windshield. If so those are for the piece that fits over the doors. It was not used in the soft top models (at least thru 73) but was there so you could install the hard top. Just like the threaded holes are in the tub to mount the hard top. From the mid sixties until 78 all the FJ40s imported to this country were set up to run a soft top or hard top.


John

 

[Coolerman]

That is an awesome find. Why only two weeks? Are you selling it already?

I would like to see close ups of the cargo floor and both the wheel well tops. I'm interested in any hole that looks factory that would have held like jack clips or somthing similiar.

 

[gmarshall7]

My '72 has LV.

 

[thecrazygreek]

necropost... woot!

 

[Coolerman]

Thread revival:

Here is a question for the experts: Do any of you with FST models have the wiring for the hardtop room light in addition to the dash mounted light?

Back when I was pulling the wiring apart in the windshield for the Wiper 301 documentation I found a Red/Green wire inside the harness that (according to schematic research) goes to a 2 pin plug then to the room light that was mounted on the drivers door pillar. I dug through my stuff and found I had the room light itself with the 2 pin plug. However I do not have the mating harness itself. If you have this harness wiring could you take a pic and post it? Or if you have one you would like to sell or trade, let me know.

Here is a pic of the light and plug:

 

[Coolerman]

One more thing, if you do have both lights could you verify something for me? I have 3 schematics, two show the lights wired one way and the third shows them wired completely wrong. (The dash light in this schematic would be on all the time the key was on).

How the other two schematics show it should work: Key has to be on, dash light switch has to be on THEN the room light on the pillar gets power and can be turned on. I will meter this out later on my harness and post what I find...

One last thing, besides the BJ40, did any FJ40's have door switches to turn on the room light? Pics of position, or switch?

 

[Living in the Past]

One more thing, if you do have both lights could you verify something for me? I have 3 schematics, two show the lights wired one way and the third shows them wired completely wrong. (The dash light in this schematic would be on all the time the key was on).

How the other two schematics show it should work: Key has to be on, dash light switch has to be on THEN the room light on the pillar gets power and can be turned on. I will meter this out later on my harness and post what I find...

One last thing, besides the BJ40, did any FJ40's have door switches to turn on the room light? Pics of position, or switch?

All the interior lights worked off the switch ignition on or off in the early years. John Pardion had a soft top bow that had the light in the B pillar like on the later tops. That was a lot later than 71. My 73 soft top only has the dash light. The picture you posted is that of an earlier style hard top light. There a bracket it fits in.

I think all the later FJ40 hard top models had the door switch. 81? 77 was the late year Toyota imported a soft top model into the US.

 

[Coolerman]

All the interior lights worked off the switch ignition on or off in the early years. .

Clarify, they only worked when the key was on? Or worked with key on or off? (Wired straight to power)

John Pardion had a soft top bow that had the light in the B pillar like on the later tops. That was a lot later than 71. .

Got a pic of that anywhere?

My 73 soft top only has the dash light. The picture you posted is that of an earlier style hard top light. There a bracket it fits in. .

So you only have 4 wires going into the harness in the windshield?

See pic... for bracket that came with that light. The EPC shows that style light on hard tops from 58 to 9/73. Then the light style changed. Weird you would not have the wiring for that light. All the schematics I have for the early 70's FJ40's show the second dome light wiring.

I think all the later FJ40 hard top models had the door switch. 81? 77 was the late year Toyota imported a soft top model into the US.

EPC (to 1980) and SOR do not show a door switch anywhere on a FJ40 but I know I have seen this simewhere...

 

[Living in the Past]

Clarify, they only worked when the key was on? Or worked with key on or off? (Wired straight to power)

All dome/ dash lights on hard and soft top model had a switch on the dash and wired hot all the time. Not sure how it was on the pre 66? that had the light on the bottom of the dash. The later syle had the the switch in light itself.

Got a pic of that anywhere?

Don't have any pictures you might ask John P he might. He ask me years ago if I was interested in buying the bow. I'm thinking it look just like the later style dome light.

So you only have 4 wires going into the harness in the windshield?

Don't know how many wires it had from the factory but there is no sign of any type of wire ever running above the door.

See pic... for bracket that came with that light. The EPC shows that style light on hard tops from 58 to 9/73. Then the light style changed. Weird you would not have the wiring for that light. All the schematics I have for the early 70's FJ40's show the second dome light wiring.

That's the bracket used on the hard top. Just gotta love SOR. everthing always listed back to 58. I think the dome light started around 66 before that there was a light mount to the bottom of the dash on both hard top and soft top models.

EPC (to 1980) and SOR do not show a door switch anywhere on a FJ40 but I know I have seen this simewhere...

I haven't seen many late model cruisers mainly stick to the early stuff but Rob landcrusher909 had a 81 and it had the door switches. If have to check with him to be sure but I don't think it was a BJ40/42