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I am not a scientist, I am but a simple ski tech with a fettish for landcruisers and saving gas.
I'll provide as solid of information on mileage, running conditions, so forth as the project continues and the miles rack up. I may have a cross country trip coming up in it, so I hope to have more consisive results and figures soon.
I'll provide as solid of information on mileage, running conditions, so forth as the project continues and the miles rack up. I may have a cross country trip coming up in it, so I hope to have more consisive results and figures soon.
Yeah. Keep us posted.
maybe one i get my 2F-E stroker finished and broke in and im gettin steady mpg results ill ball up and take the plunge and see what it does since it would be a fresh motor...
or maybe ill just run propane...
or maybe ill just run propane...
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I'd eventually like to convert mine to propane with the addition of hho. Do you know of any propane injection systems that run off of nothing but propane?
Well that is clearly BS. If it improved the combustion from 13% to 95%, you should be seeing much more than a 30% improvement in MPG. Your engine would probably also run at 120 degrees because you would not have the losses to heat. If there is legitimacy to these products, it is a shame that these sites are filled with more salesmanship than science. It is also why people like me are skeptical until there is some unbiased data.
I actually disagree with you on that. Having a properly tuned engine increases the efficiency. Your gains from a properly tuned engine may not be mutually exclusive of the gains from another product. For example, if you have fouled and mis-gapped plugs and replace them with expensive platinum plugs and your mileage increases 30%, you could say the expensive plugs are worth it because they improved your mileage 30%. But the fact is, you could have cleaned and re-gapped your old plugs or got new cheapos and seen the same gain. The improvement was not from the new product, it was from correcting the issue. So yes, you are seeing a 30% improvement, but you are getting the same mileage as a properly tuned LC. Now when you get it to give you 17 mpg, it is a little safer to say it is due to the new project.
Which leads me to another theory. I wonder if the issue is not the hydrogen, but it is actually the oxygen that is the bigger help.
Very interesting, but I still don't think anything has been proven (or dispelled).
Keep us posted.
yup,
you dont have to have it injected tho on a carb motor tho
ima try and find a way to use it on a fuel injected motor.
HERE is a propane install on an fj40 with a 2F its a good read for sure.
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Jason brought it by today. Looks pretty simple. I guess I'd better pony up for a system and see what it does.
How hard is it to install? If Jason can unhook it easily, it would be a good test to see him take it off his cruiser and put it on one of yours for a week or so and see the results. I think you could make one yourself for a lot less.
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Does not look hard at all to install. But not something you could swap from one vehicle to another in just minutes. I'd love to get a loner system to try first but that would be up to Jason. I don't have 2F equipped LC so even if he wanted to let me try it would have to be completely reconfigured to my SBC or 1FZ.
Jason also mentioned an engine additive that is recommended pre install. I'll let him explain that as he will do better than me.
And yes I'm sure someone with the knowledge and time could build their own system. But after the time and suppies invested I don't think you would be too far ahead.
Jason also mentioned an engine additive that is recommended pre install. I'll let him explain that as he will do better than me.
And yes I'm sure someone with the knowledge and time could build their own system. But after the time and suppies invested I don't think you would be too far ahead.
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When I first was checking out the different systems online, most all of them were for plans to build a similar system DIY style. I coughed up $49 bucks for the downloadable assembly of one of the DIY kits. It was to say the least, a bit overwhelming with 100 pages of detailed assembly instructions, with parts from radio shack that I was basically going to have to build a control module from scratch. This was new territory for me dealing with transistors,etc.
I then looked online for complete kits, most where very rudimentary at best, or super expensive. the unit I have now was complete, reasonably priced, waranteed, and had backup support 12 hrs/day, so the choice was obvious. I am happy enough with the product with just the way it cleans up the emissions, the mpg, and smoothness or running with the hho are a big bonus.
I just switched to my summer tires, so I'll be able to get some highway mpg #'s soon.
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The additive that I am using is Xado. It's been used in europe for several years. Now there is a distributor out of kansas. It is a nano tech based ceramic coating that is supposed actually ad material to high friction areas by creating a cement like bond on the areas. The claim it can actually bring the compression up to like new. I found out about it through another hydrogen company that recommended it to seal up any microscopic cracks in the engine block so that methane from burning hydrogen doesn't form in these cracks and eventually cause big cracks. They make versions of the xado for everything from engines to bearings to rifle barrels. the ceramic bond is extremely slick as well. The claim that once an engine is treated, it can run for up to 120 miles with no oil.
I used the power steering version as well and it fixed the sloppiness within 10 minutes, I was impressed.
I've gone through two of the three treatments for the engine and it's noticeably smoother. I just have to replace that leaky manafold gasket and it should be running pretty tight. I'd like to do a compression leak down test once I've replaced the gasket to see where the engine stands.
I used the power steering version as well and it fixed the sloppiness within 10 minutes, I was impressed.
I've gone through two of the three treatments for the engine and it's noticeably smoother. I just have to replace that leaky manafold gasket and it should be running pretty tight. I'd like to do a compression leak down test once I've replaced the gasket to see where the engine stands.
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Jason I forgot to mention I have a leak down and/or compression tester if you want to do it here.
I continue you read threw your thread on this subject and as you all know fuel is eating at us cruiser owners so if you would not mind what did this kit cost you? It looks simple from what i watched of the video but even if i would get 2 more mpg's out of my 62 i could justify the cost of this thing....even with the wife
....oh i can use this on fuel injection correct?
Any help would be great....reading on
....oh i can use this on fuel injection correct?Any help would be great
....reading on
I continue you read threw your thread on this subject and as you all know fuel is eating at us cruiser owners so if you would not mind what did this kit cost you? It looks simple from what i watched of the video but even if i would get 2 more mpg's out of my 62 i could justify the cost of this thing....even with the wife
Any help would be great
Yes they do, for engines with A carburetor connect the HHO outlet hose directly under the carb into the riser plate orifice located right under the carburetor.
On fuel injected engines, connect the HHO outlet hose to the venturi into the air intake plenum as close to the throttle body assembly as possible.
Man, this stuff just keeps throwing red flags in my mind. You can hold the tip of the torch? Wow, so they are saying it doesn't produce any heat until the hydrogen and oxygen combine and burn PAST the tip? That's frigging amazing
And holy crap, the flame isn't as bright as a (oxy-acet?) torch! Are you telling me that there are fuels that burn with little production of visible light? 
A car that runs on water? BULL****, breaking and reforming the same bonds will not net energy. Can you design a car to run on hydrogen and oxygen, sure (e.g. fuel cells), can you design a car that will produce H2 and O2 from water (consuming energy) and then run off that H2 and O2 with enough excess energy to overcome the demands of the electrolysis? Absolutely not.From Oxyhydrogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:
electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O
The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it; see Electrolysis of water:Efficiency.
Also
An oxyhydrogen torch is an oxy-gas torch, which burns hydrogen (the fuel) with oxygen (the oxidiser). It is used for cutting and welding metals, glass, and thermoplastics.[6] An oxyhydrogen torch is used in the glass industry for "fire polishing"; slightly melting the surface of glass to remove scratches and dullness.
The oxyhydrogen flame begins a short distance from the torch tip; if the distance is great enough the torch tip can remain relatively cool.[7]
A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:
electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O
The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it; see Electrolysis of water:Efficiency.
Also
An oxyhydrogen torch is an oxy-gas torch, which burns hydrogen (the fuel) with oxygen (the oxidiser). It is used for cutting and welding metals, glass, and thermoplastics.[6] An oxyhydrogen torch is used in the glass industry for "fire polishing"; slightly melting the surface of glass to remove scratches and dullness.
The oxyhydrogen flame begins a short distance from the torch tip; if the distance is great enough the torch tip can remain relatively cool.[7]
