h42 in FJ80

[timbercruiser]

hi gang. Yea, I'm a newbie. I am considering an FJ80, but I like manuals over autos. (I'm not going to continue that debate). Does anyone offer a kit for putting the FJ 60 H42 into the FJ80? Has anyone done this? I don't have $ for the H55F and don't need overdrive (33's will solve that). On a related note, will the H41 (Aussie 4 speed) fit?

 

[Pskhaat]

You don't need a kit to put an H42 into an FJ80; that tranny will bolt right up. You will however, have to use the part-time 4WD tcase that mounts to the H42; get a clutch, clutch pedal, flywheel, and bell housing from a 2F setup (40 or 60 series). You will also need some length adjustments to the driveshafts, removal of the tranny crossmembers and/or retrofit a crossmember from a 60 series, and make sure there's a hole in the hump to fit the shifter

I've always wanted to do/see this on an FJ80! You can pick the req'd parts up for darn cheap, and you could probably pay for it all by selling off your auto and full time tcase.

Yes, the H41 and H55F will bolt just as cleanly up.

 

[Pskhaat]

However, as you know, this only works for FJ80s, NOT FZJ80s.

 

[ginericLC]

FJ80 yes, FZJ80 no. You need a late model FJ60 bellhousing. They are stamped 3F on them. Pretty plentiful. I believe the 2f flywheel will work on the 3FE. I really don't think this is worth the effort for a FJ80. You will also probably end up using a normal split transfer case (none fulltime) from a 60 as well. You may have some driveline issues and some issues with getting the crossmember in the correct place. If you get a late FJ60 tranny 5/85 and later you could adapt to a h55f later without doing any more changes because they have the spacer to make them the same length as the h55f.

 

[lagwagon]

If you go with factory pedals it will cost you more than the trans and transfercase. Also if you are in an area where the 80 needs to get smog tested it might not pass.

 

[ginericLC]

[quote author=lagwagon link=board=2;threadid=16682;start=msg160716#msg160716 date=1085081225]
If you go with factory pedals it will cost you more than the trans and transfercase. Also if you are in an area where the 80 needs to get smog tested it might not pass.
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I think it would pass if you used the right speed sensor on a FJ80. There were 62s with 5 speeds with the 3FE elsewhere in the world. So there is probably a factory part available. I'd probably try to use 60 pedals. With modification and time and money anything is possible.

 

[Pskhaat]

[quote author=ginericfj80 link=board=2;threadid=16682;start=msg160707#msg160707 date=1085080358]
You need a late model FJ60 bellhousing.
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My 3F-E is against my 1978 2F bellhousing no problem.

 

[Pskhaat]

[quote author=lagwagon link=board=2;threadid=16682;start=msg160716#msg160716 date=1085081225]
if you are in an area where the 80 needs to get smog tested it might not pass.
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Why is that?

 

[cruiserdan]

Possibly because it would now be a M/T which was never imported or emissions certified by Toyota. Some areas are getting hard-nosed.

 

[Pskhaat]

In the two recent smog areas in which I've lived (Denver & Phoenix) I guarantee you they'd never do anything about it and Denver was a hard smog test to pass. Where is it that they actually look at what tranny is in there? Usually it's just an OBDII test which wouldn't apply to an FJ80, or tailpipe test which is for the most part independent of the tranny...

Curious where'd they actually fail something because of the non-stock tranny.

 

[lagwagon]

I am actually importing a 5 speed for my FZJ80 and was told No Way so it will go in the pre-smog 55. C-Dan is on the money. No 80 was imported with the manual and in California there is something called test only. Anything over 10 years old goes to(or will go to) a test only center where they cannot even have tools to repair. It is very strict and does show on the test if it is manual or auto. I have talked to the Bureau of Automotive Repair who is in charge and there is no legal way of doing the conversion. The only chance is that the test is a two speed idle test and not a dyno so with an ignorant smog person you could get away. I don't want to take the chance.

 

[Pskhaat]

Gotta love Kalifornia.

 

[ginericLC]

[quote author=lagwagon link=board=2;threadid=16682;start=msg160967#msg160967 date=1085104702]
I am actually importing a 5 speed for my FZJ80 and was told No Way so it will go in the pre-smog 55. C-Dan is on the money. No 80 was imported with the manual and in California there is something called test only. Anything over 10 years old goes to(or will go to) a test only center where they cannot even have tools to repair. It is very strict and does show on the test if it is manual or auto. I have talked to the Bureau of Automotive Repair who is in charge and there is no legal way of doing the conversion. The only chance is that the test is a two speed idle test and not a dyno so with an ignorant smog person you could get away. I don't want to take the chance.
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Are you putting a FZ in your 55? I thought the FZs came with a h151f and the older Fs came with the h55f. It was my understanding, could be wrong though, that the bellhousings were not interchangeable between the FZ and older Fs.

This whole smog thing gets me really irritated. If it puts out less than the maximum allowed pollutants for that year who cares? Cats, no cats, manual, auto, V8, I6, etc... I once passed a smog test with my V8j60 with no cats and a 350TBI motor. Of course it was just a sniffer test and the guy did no visual. He could have run it at what ever RPMs he wanted and it still would have been cleaner than what my carbed 2F was allowed.

 

[timbercruiser]

Thanks for the info gang. I live in Mi-no smog here, yet.

I kinda figured an FJ 60 set up would work because of an article in TT where the owner "60'd" his 62. Yes I am thinking of the 3F 80.

 

[GXO]

I have never looked back since wheeling with an auto tranny for the first time....

Just my 2 cents.

 

[timbercruiser]

Hey. I was wondering if there will be interior clearance issues with the H41 (the shifter hitting the console). I believe there was a long and short h42 in the FJ 60s, and that the H41 is comparable to the short h42.

 

[ginericLC]

The long and short should have no effect on the shifter placement for the tranny. The long one merely has a longer shafts and a spacer on the rear of the tranny to push the transfer case back. The front halves of the tranny cases are the same. I believe even the top plates are swappable. Might make a difference for the transfer case shifter but the body holes on 60s were the same for both the long h42 and short h42. I think they played with the linkage to make them come out in the same spot.

 

[Beowulf]

>> I live in Mi-no smog here, yet. <<

They don't do emissions testing in Michigan?

-B-

 

[timbercruiser]

not in my part of MI

 

[yomama]

They have closed all the smog testing facilities in Minnesota as well.

That was getting kind of sicking having to wait in that looooong line.

Yomama