Gear Ratio Opinions,

Gear Ratio??

  • 4:10

    Votes: 8 66.7%
  • 4:56

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • 4:88

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Total voters
    12

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Need some opinions for gear ratio on my 60 resto. Due to my 1UZ-FE / A440E / Dana 300 swap, I will have to swap rear axles (due to excessive compound angle with centered t-case output). I'm pretty well set on running an explorer 8.8; strong, readily available, & only 1.5" wider than stock.

So, let me know your thoughts on gear ratio. 1UZ (Lexus 4.0) & A440E (0.70:1 OD). For reference, stock LS400 rpm @ 70 was 2250.

Options I see:
- Buy axle with 4.10:1 gears (avail stock). If performance is NG, swap to different gear set at later date.
- Swap to 4.56
- Swap to 4.88
 
What tire size will you be running?
70mph at 2250 is a bit high... but I know nothing about Lexus...
At 70mph I run at around 2070 rpms thats with 4.11's on 80 axles....on 35's.. no problem.....

As you stated... stay stock and they go higher if needed... but if you going to wheel it you might want to go higher...
 
Do you want to keep the same RPM at 70 as the lexus or lower?

Have an idea as to the powerband of the motor? ( peak HP and torque, if a plateau, where the plateau starts )
 
Torque curve is essentially flat from 1200 rpm & up. My wife has a later model LS with the 1UZ & it is quite responsive at 70, rpm seem to be about right, but maybe a touch high. . . passing gear in the LS is very strong.

I am leaning towards seeing if any of the local yards have a 4.10 8.8". If the -200 rpm is no problem, I will only have to re-gear the front axle (& it may net me a touch more fuel mileage). Plus, that will get my truck back on the road quicker, too.

If the -200 rpm drives me nuts, I can always re-gear Fr/Rr at a later date.

Do you want to keep the same RPM at 70 as the lexus or lower?

Have an idea as to the powerband of the motor? ( peak HP and torque, if a plateau, where the plateau starts )
 
I am leaning towards seeing if any of the local yards have a 4.10 8.8". If the -200 rpm is no problem, I will only have to re-gear the front axle (& it may net me a touch more fuel mileage). Plus, that will get my truck back on the road quicker, too.

If the -200 rpm drives me nuts, I can always re-gear Fr/Rr at a later date.

Why are you planning on going to a much SMALLER and WEAKER rear axle? I understand your drive line angles but a DC drive shaft will solve the vibration issues.

However, if you are stuck on running smaller, weaker junk... A 4.11 (4.10 not available) 8.8 with rear disk (has built in parking brake, not sure if u were wanting that or not) will only be found in a Ford Explorer Sport Trac. The exploder pickup thingy if you are not familiar. If it were me I would have a DC rear shaft made, or get a 14B FF (semi float and full float models were made) and if you are set on 6 lug machine the hubs and axles down and re-drill the hub for 6 lug. Any competent machine shop can do this for you with no issue. A friend was gonna do just that but then decided to just go to tons front and rear and run em full width on 8 lug wheels.

But I really gotta ask. Why did you decide to run the D300? I'm not saying it is a bad t-case, but it seems you could of had other options for similar price that would still have passenger drop rear output solving the whole axle issue.

Oh and with 33's and the auto 4.10 / 4.11 will be a pretty good number, ideally 4.56 would be a similar to stock and would give you much more grunt offroad, but I think you would be ok with the 4.10 / 4.11, even more since it seems you are focusing of street performance.
 
Torque curve is essentially flat from 1200 rpm & up. My wife has a later model LS with the 1UZ & it is quite responsive at 70, rpm seem to be about right, but maybe a touch high. . . passing gear in the LS is very strong.

I am leaning towards seeing if any of the local yards have a 4.10 8.8". If the -200 rpm is no problem, I will only have to re-gear the front axle (& it may net me a touch more fuel mileage). Plus, that will get my truck back on the road quicker, too.

If the -200 rpm drives me nuts, I can always re-gear Fr/Rr at a later date.

Sounds like the most reasonable option to me! You can always regear down the road. Its better that you get a feel for how the truck drives, then fine tune the final drive ratio if necessary.

Should be pretty easy for you to find a 62 diff for your front axle.
 
Why are you planning on going to a much SMALLER and WEAKER rear axle? I understand your drive line angles but a DC drive shaft will solve the vibration issues.

However, if you are stuck on running smaller, weaker junk... A 4.11 (4.10 not available) 8.8 with rear disk (has built in parking brake, not sure if u were wanting that or not) will only be found in a Ford Explorer Sport Trac. The exploder pickup thingy if you are not familiar. If it were me I would have a DC rear shaft made, or get a 14B FF (semi float and full float models were made) and if you are set on 6 lug machine the hubs and axles down and re-drill the hub for 6 lug. Any competent machine shop can do this for you with no issue. A friend was gonna do just that but then decided to just go to tons front and rear and run em full width on 8 lug wheels.

But I really gotta ask. Why did you decide to run the D300? I'm not saying it is a bad t-case, but it seems you could of had other options for similar price that would still have passenger drop rear output solving the whole axle issue.

Oh and with 33's and the auto 4.10 / 4.11 will be a pretty good number, ideally 4.56 would be a similar to stock and would give you much more grunt offroad, but I think you would be ok with the 4.10 / 4.11, even more since it seems you are focusing of street performance.

Not sure if you intended for your post to read as it does, but I feel like I have to defend my post. So, first of all, I don't see how you can say the 8.8" axle is junk . . .

Second of all, I think you're misinformed about the 8.8's configuration. 4.10 is indeed the ratio that was available, and they disc brake equipped axles which I intend to run, have DIH parking brakes. . .

Finally, I have my mind set on the 8.8 / D300 for a few reasons:
1. I've done the math, the FJ60 rear & D300 combo = nasty compound angles. I'm not building an off-road buggy (been there done that), I intend for this truck to be a smooth running daily driver that sees camping duty & light offroad action. As such, I'm not willing to accept vibs. To eliminate, I would need to run a DC joint at both ends of the shaft & that's not even a guarantee.
2. The 8.8's are available with factory disc, close to the factory track width, and don't scrape the pavement with a low slung diff - can't say that for a 14 bolt.
3. My 60 axle has nasty pinion slop & is in need of a full rebuild, for the cost I'll have into parts, I can swap in a "new" low mileage axle.
4. The D300 bolts right up to my A341E after I swap the output w/an AW4 & it's a stout, compact t-case.
5. The D300 is clockable & I will be able to run a flat x-member.
6. I picked up this D300 for like $75 bucks

Only real drawback to the 8.8 is the 5 lug pattern. I will run aftermarket shafts (not enough space to re-drill) & will re-drill the rotors - no need for a machine shop when I have the equipment in my shop.
 
I think you are correct of the ratio and I was wrong, however that is the vehicle to look for if you are wanting that setup.

That aside, the 8.8 is still a much weaker axle, it is great for lightweight rangers and jeeps ect with tires up to about 33-37 depending on how you wheel and if you are locked or not ect. Perhaps a chevy 12 bolt is more your style? it is stronger than an 8.8, still offers the ground clearance (tho you did say light wheeling, and light wheeling and camping the diffs dragging shouldnt be a problem.), offers the gear options you are looking at, and came in a large variety of vehicles and is still an centered diff.

Really my biggest thing is why someone would WANT to put in weaker and significantly smaller parts in the place of good product. I understand the rebuild. But to be honest these yota diffs are super easy to tear down and set up and would be the ideal one to lean how to do gears and stuff on since it is easily corrected. A FF 14B is also easy, but you cant take it out and do it on a work bench like you can a ford 9 or yota.

AH!

have you considered a ford 9? that would be a great option I think for you! axle came in the back of a VERY LARGE variety of vehicle both cars and truck for several years and has an absolutely AMAZING aftermarket support AND has a drop out third. I think that would likely be your best option and it can be had just as cheap and easy as the smaller and weaker 8.8.

as for the D300 I dont have a problem with it, just curious as to why you chose that, didnt know if you were just wanting front digs or a cheaper option to go to deep transfer case gearing later or what. It is a fine case and will be much stronger than what I think you will need by your description. Just easy on them front digs, that is how you split those cases in half.

14 bolt, shave kit, 6 bolt hub conversion, discs and 4:10.

Amazing package and BULLETPROOF

This.

Will keep you at or very similar to the same ground clearance as the stock cruiser stuff if shaved.
 

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