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...and why I hate it.
As a kid, I honestly thought that cooking over propane was the only way to go. I bought into the "you taste the meat, not the fire" BS hook line and sinker. Over time my Scoutmaster influenced me otherwise to the extent that I preferred charcoal, or hardwood better, but was still open to gas.
Working a gas grill as part of my regular duties while apprenticing as a butcher changed that, largely because I just became frustrated with how complicateed the big trailer grill was, how low the heat was, and how unsatisfctory the result was. The other day, it all crystalized, and now I can comfortably say that I hate gas, here is why:

1. The heat is too low.
Propane is the petoleum of choice for many grill companies because it's perfectly moderate in temperature, meaning it's less likely to fill their forums and ears with the story: "I walked away for ten minutes, and my steak was singed" as every novice griller says, it's insurance. The peak heat produced inside the average consumer's grill is on the high side of the 600's. That's admirable for an oven, but far too low to really sear something delicate (dry aged steaks, or fresh scallops, for example) without risking obliterating the required tender, rare inner texture.

2. The heat is wet. Combustion of propane has 3 by-products:
- Carbon monoxide
- heat
- water
reactions of the hydrocarbon chains with oxygen produces water, which guarantees a soggy sear. Anybody else hate rubbery skin on a chicken? I do, but I never once realized that my grill was the cause of it.

3. The machine is overcomplicated. My old Webber genesis has gone through three sets of burners, two sets of flavor bars, a set of valves, and an igniter. The grill I used for work even had a computer that would kill the flames if it thought it was running too high.

A charcoal grill has none of these things, making it infinitely less prone to failure. Since buying my Webber Kettle, I've had to replace nothing. While working as the grill manager for the meat department, the computer put us out of busniness on more than one occaision (a week) with dead thermocouples, bad timers, and loose valves.

4. Gas grills are expensive. Excluding repairs, my family easily spends abuot a grand a year on propane, and it's a racket; you run out of gas and there's no alternative.
I now seldom buy charcoal. 35 acres of forest land in the mountains of northern California furnishes me with more than all the fuel I can use. I used to think grilled pork chops were the best thing ever, until I tried the over coals I burned down myself from oak logs.

5. This is what killed it for me: The other day, I tried a pork shoulder that had been grill-braised. This is probably my favorite cut of meat for slow heat, but it had spent so much time over that whicked blue flame, that the butylene (an odorant added to the gas so we can smell it in the air) had actually gotten into the meat. My first bite tasted like propane exhaust. My second ended up tasting like ketchup.

I'm not at all trying to disuade the use of gas. Whatever people burn their meat with is their business, but I just wanted to share why I've given up the blue-flame life for good.
 
I got my first charcoal Webber kettle in 1987. That grille made it nearly 20 years before New England winters finally rusted the ole grille to bits. I never had to replace a part during it's lifetime. I bought another Webber kettle for replacement and to this day have never ever owned a gas grille. In fact, I'm probaly the only luddite in my neighbor hood.

As far as I can tell, the grille has become a new status symbol for the back yard. Meh.... I take my charcoal grille any day. It's worked for me for nearly 25 years. Why stop now?
 
The Weber Kettle is a classic for a reason. As I have stated in other forums, I am a ten year vetern with my BGE and a huge fan of it. I have also rekindled an old relationship with a Weber Genesis recently, as my neighbor was ditching his old one for a new gas grill. I replaced his burned out flavor bars with stainless and was good to go. I use the latter less than my BGE, but it is nice to have for a quick grilled chicken breast or shrimp skewers, but I always go to the BGE for my more serious smoking and grilling.
 
Meh. I utilize all of them....slow smoke, charcoal/wood grill, or propane.

It all depends on what you need to do and how much time you have to do it. You can eat the perfect steak because you had 90 minutes to prepare an oak fire and allow to burn to coals, or you can eat bologna because you steadfastly refused to use propane that could cook a steak that was pretty damn good in 20 minutes and you only have an hour to prepare and eat.
 
I compete in BBQ competitions and we only use a burn barrel and hard woods. I used to hate the people who used gas or kingsford charcoal. Most of time they lost.

That being said at home I smoke all my meat with charcoal. But I cook all my other meat and veggies on a gas grill that is 10yrs old and still running. As far a searing well I usually don't grill higher than 450 or so. If I went any higher all the fat and seasoning I've built into it all these years would catch on fire. Plus I'm extremely lazy when I grill at home. No ashes, I'm up to temp in 5 min, and I can shut it all off in 5 min. Plus I'm picky about my lump charcoal. Not as if many of us can go get good wood out of our back yard.

And if your cooking with Kingsford. Well, I'd rather you cook it in the oven.
 
Meh. I utilize all of them....slow smoke, charcoal/wood grill, or propane.

It all depends on what you need to do and how much time you have to do it. You can eat the perfect steak because you had 90 minutes to prepare an oak fire and allow to burn to coals, or you can eat bologna because you steadfastly refused to use propane that could cook a steak that was pretty damn good in 20 minutes and you only have an hour to prepare and eat.


Same here. Different tools for different applications...
 
Actually, I think they all have their place. I have 2 webbers that, except for changing out the steel bars for complete stainless, I've owned them for 15 years now. It is quick and easy to use most things...especially when you're hungry.

That being said, my choice is my traeger if I have the time and type of meat. I enjoy the plume of smoke coming from it and knowing that whether I'm smoking cheese, meat, pork or fish, I could not get that smokey smell with my webber.

Ultimately, I want a fire pit for the back of my property so I can do larger product with friends and family. Using real wood and enjoy eating what comes home with the kids and I.

Thankfully, all my grills are under cover here in the NW/Rain country. ;)
 
Getting back to this:
If I need a single steak cooked quick, then, lately I'll just get my favorite cast-iron skillet to smoking temperatures over the stove. For fast and painless, there's nothing better. However, I never cook in a rush, that's just my rule. Culinary school beat the notion of quick food, and hurrying your product out of me, because that all you do there. To me, cooking and eating are sacred, so I'm willing to take my time to pull together a dinner. More lately, I've been putting alot of thought into how it all comes together so as much of the product as possible comes off the grill all at once, and a minimal of dishes, pans, pots, and indoor time is allowed. Preparing ahead also takes the burden of time down greatly, and hot homemade bread and good cheese are usually around to hold down the fort until dinner's ready.

I believed that gas was the ultimate convenience, and that was why I was still open to it. As many of you guys have said, it doesn't hurt to have one of 'em all, but I've also realized it doesn't take very long to get some good coals going. If I can do it, hardwood is my preference, but if not, I'm always refining my home-made charcoal retort, and have the results nearby. It takes as long to get a batch of coals hot as it does to really get a gasser up to temp, but the biggest advantage is that I always have charcoal on hand, versus having to drive 20 miles to the nearest gas station that sells propane and back. For a convenience, that's pretty inconvenient.

As to briquettes: only for the dutch oven. I have come across natural briquettes without the borax, lime ash and mineral crap in mainstream ones, but they're harder to find. I keep a bag of Kingsford around at all times for my DO, but prefer real wood and charcoal for my Webber.

Finally: No bologna here. I'd rather eat my slippers.
 
I also really want a big green egg, but the Webber kettle was 25 bucks at a yard sale.
 
So what about NG vs propane? I've only used NG for mine. Propane does produce a hotter flame in my experience at the fire station.

Also a primo grill is a green egg equivalent but larger/more oblong. Their forum is fantastic for grilling ideas IMHO.
 
Natural gas seems to be used in situations where the grill can be plumbed directly into the house's main line. It may not be as hot, but otherwise, it's probably hard to distinguish. In cooking terms, a flame is a flame.

Just fired up my Kettle for today's dinner.

A week ago, I had a top sirloin roast cut custom from my friends at the shop I used to work at (all the muscles, and fat cap left unmolested, 4" thick), and dry aged it in my fridge for the week. Trimmed down the scab this morning, salted it heavily, and grilled it over hickory lump charcoal until is was perfectly rare throughout. Served that with buttered barley and sauteed broccoli.

The sear was perfect, and it tasted great.


Top Sirloin is my favorite cut for camping, because it's economical at usually 6 bucks a pound, but if cut right (and few butchers do) it's juicy, tender, and really flavorful.
Most times, what meat shops will do, is break it down following the silverskin, because it's about four different muscles grouped together, and they also trim the fat off to appease the whiners who think all fat is bad. While working, I learned that left intact, and cut thick with the fat cap unmolested, it makes for a pretty amazing piece of meat. The trick is to start it over thin coals for about ten minutes, then to sear it for five over the high heat, and let it rest. I've never had a TS roas turn out tough, dry, or flavorless.
It won't ever compare to a ribeye or a strip loin, but for the budget-conscious, it's a fun cut, and pairs up with a campfire and a flask of Scotch really well.
 
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Like others have said, it depends on circumstances and application.

Our family has a Weber Genesis, Kettle, King Ranch, two smokers and a Big Green Egg. The Genesis still gets plenty of use.

Oh, and I disagree about 600 degrees not providing a decent sear.
 
Grill over mesquite coals always our first chioce. If a slow cook is required (ie beer can chicken), or a speedy burger/brat dinner, propane rocks imo.
 
Grill over mesquite coals always our first chioce. If a slow cook is required (ie beer can chicken), or a speedy burger/brat dinner, propane rocks imo.

Mesquite is awesome. I prefer oak overall, it has that essential "I'm cooking outdoors" flavor, but Mesquite is my #2 choice, it's so sweet. Though having smoked alot with oak recently, I have to say that the vanillin from the oak really seeps into things, and can be a problem if you're not expecting vanilla in your barbecue.

As to the subject at hand, I just bought a gas rig -
for lighting my charcoal.
It's actually a 2-burner deal, so I can throw each of my chimneys on either burner, and have lump for the smoker or grill, and briquettes for my Dutch Oven, then turn around and sautee veggies on the burner.
 
just to clarify, I wrote this thread as a way to get some ideas out of my head, and serve as a possibly linkable manifesto in future discussions elsewhere, I am not trying to win people over from gas, nor do I expect people to rally into some kind of charcoal renaissance, just talking for the sake of talking. What works for any individual works, and I won't argue. I've merely come to believe that gas doesn't work for me.
 
I get tired of the Towering Inferno on my gas grill when cooking lots of steaks for parties. I'm switching to The Big Green Egg.
 
I get tired of the Towering Inferno on my gas grill when cooking lots of steaks for parties. I'm switching to The Big Green Egg.

BGE's are awesome. Especially great for folks who like a consistent temp.
And I agree very much with the towering inferno bit, the big trailer grill I used to work was never cleaned because the management thought the grease buildup would smoke off and flavor the meat as it cooked, but instead the grease simply pooled on the flavor bars and lava rocks, got thoroughly soaked in, and caused a number of ridiculous fires. It would get to the point where the moment I looked away to help a customer, the chickens or ribs would be up in flames instantly. since going to charcoal, I haven't had a single bad flareup, even while grilling farmed Salmon, because I have control of where the coals are, and the grease prom previous uses doesn't pile up.
 
just to clarify, I wrote this thread as a way to get some ideas out of my head, and serve as a possibly linkable manifesto in future discussions elsewhere, I am not trying to win people over from gas, nor do I expect people to rally into some kind of charcoal renaissance, just talking for the sake of talking. What works for any individual works, and I won't argue. I've merely come to believe that gas doesn't work for me.

I'm tracking you. It's an interesting discussion. Thanks for bringing it up.
 
What is a better readily available product instead of Kingsford? Not sure I wanna bother making my own charcoal even though I have plenty of wood available.

Thanks,
Nick

There are other brands of lump and hardwood charcoal out there. Shoot, even Safeway, where Wonderbread is gourmet, sells Lazzari Mesquite. There is a colossal difference in the resulting taste and texture between Kingsford and hardwood used in grilling.

Briquettes are convenient, but not the only option.
 
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