For John. N74L vs N101

[calamaridog]

I thought it had, and John was now being shown you can actually get more travel than he thinks because the sway bar hits, but it is being explained how to fix that now

Actually, at full shock extension the shock body is barely rubbing on the sway bar. How do you figure that relocating will change anything? What am I missing here?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John,
you should re phrase that to "no room for more travel with OME shocks and the swat bar where it is"

Our shocks are smaller dia so it doesnt have the same problem as your experiencing while you try and figure out the mods you have done so far.

I don't care about your shocks. I don't care about your swaybar mod and body lifts. This thread is about comparing N101 and N74L on the UZJ. Go start your own thread or just keep silent.

If you have a superior setup, start your own thread. But is you want people to take you seriously you need to post some actual pictures. Making wild promises won't do.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Keep going with your 100 and make us proud John....

But for god sakes lets let the 74L saga end !

Peace Y`all !
Sin

I'm done on the suspension on this 100. Sorry.

The trail that Calamaridog and I did Sunday I've driven in all 3 Cruisers and MANY MANY times. I always felt that the 100 struggled more than the 80's in the hard stuff until Sunday. This thing rides and handles and flexes so close to the 80's I can hardly EVER tell the difference. It's done!

My next 100 will be unique. Cut frames, shortened body, and possibly a custom front suspension. Gotta finish the Lexus first though.

OH, AND I HAVE TO SHOW A PICTURE OF CALAMARIDOG FROM SUNDAY. Who says 100 owners don't wheel their trucks?

 

[subspd]

Anymore trail pics?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Oh, and here's one more to show what he climbed:

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Anymore trail pics?

I'm missing Bryan's, but here's a bunch so far:

http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/gallery/1418832

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Drop the swaybar links down and you will have enough clearance.

What? You sell no such drop-bracket yet? You've got to have these setups ready after Cruise Moab. GregB's gonna be a HUGE HIT! Get fabbing and send me your first set for free. (I won't charge you for the testing )

 

[bull]

Could you just make some quick disconnects for the sway bar? Or is it better to have it connected on the trail?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Could you just make some quick disconnects for the sway bar? Or is it better to have it connected on the trail?

I like it off on the trail. Luvved the ride when I had broken mine. I'm done though for now on this truck (until they make a 4.88 32-spline gear set).

Doron runs his with the front sway off and the front flexes MUCH easier. No more travel but the cranked T-bars move easier. My 2nd 100 will be a dedicated trail vehicle and the front sway will be the first thing that comes off.

 

[FJBen]

Who says 100 owners don't wheel their trucks?

Holy FLEX BATMAN!!!! ;p That front wheel is droppin' like a...a...





























there...I feel better about myself now after trolling...

 

[DBS311]

Good pics. Still looking for the 3.5+ obstacle. Take any pictures of that?

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

Actually, at full shock extension the shock body is barely rubbing on the sway bar. How do you figure that relocating will change anything? What am I missing here?

Moving the link down to suit the lifted height will chnage the pivot angle of the sway bar, and move it away from the shock. As you move the link down, it moves it away from the shock.

We cut the link, and press it into another tube to adjust the length then weld each end into place.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

I don't care about your shocks. I don't care about your swaybar mod and body lifts. This thread is about comparing N101 and N74L on the UZJ. Go start your own thread or just keep silent.

If you have a superior setup, start your own thread. But is you want people to take you seriously you need to post some actual pictures. Making wild promises won't do.

John, John, John, I wasnt the only one to comment on the sway bar mod you say you dont care about, so should we all shut up...... and ignore your post further down that says Christo should have them by now??

So which is it, do you care about the mods other than shockers, or will you follow your own advice, and start a sway bar thread????

 

[dclee]

I don't care about your shocks. I don't care about your swaybar mod and body lifts. This thread is about comparing N101 and N74L on the UZJ. Go start your own thread or just keep silent.

If you have a superior setup, start your own thread. But is you want people to take you seriously you need to post some actual pictures. Making wild promises won't do.

John -

I think you'll find there are many of us who take Darren quite seriously. His technical knowledge and experience are far stronger than that of the seat of your wife's pants or the opinions of your wheeling buddies. He was proven in the Cruiser wagon long before you even thought about buying your first Cruiser. So, whatever your beef is with Darren, I would definately not go around touting the "take me seriously" card. IMHO, you'll lose every time.

As I believe Nolen said, your pics don't mean squat. Photos are like statistics, they can always be made to suit anyone's opinion. Comparing two photos of trucks on the same obstacle is meaningless, unless you can guarantee every variable, every exact placement of every tire, etc., which of course you can't.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Holy FLEX BATMAN!!!! ;p That front wheel is droppin' like a...a...
































there...I feel better about myself now after trolling...

Wheeling 102: In this spot the lifted wheel doesn't droop on an 80, 60, 55 or even a Jeep. The pressure's in the wrong place on the driver's tire.

And a....I know may non-100 drivers who won't run this trail in this direction because they don't want to go UP this obstacle. (Though it's not that difficult)

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Moving the link down to suit the lifted height will chnage the pivot angle of the sway bar, and move it away from the shock. As you move the link down, it moves it away from the shock.

We cut the link, and press it into another tube to adjust the length then weld each end into place.

Great idea! I don't think I'll mess with it until I'm really bored. (Which is never) Sounds easy!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John -

I think you'll find there are many of us who take Darren quite seriously. His technical knowledge and experience are far stronger than that of the seat of your wife's pants or the opinions of your wheeling buddies. He was proven in the Cruiser wagon long before you even thought about buying your first Cruiser. So, whatever your beef is with Darren, I would definately not go around touting the "take me seriously" card. IMHO, you'll lose every time.

As I believe Nolen said, your pics don't mean squat. Photos are like statistics, they can always be made to suit anyone's opinion. Comparing two photos of trucks on the same obstacle is meaningless, unless you can guarantee every variable, every exact placement of every tire, etc., which of course you can't.

It's not about winning or losing. It's not about who was building Cruisers FIRST. Slee has been doing Cruisers for years before I owned one, but even he didn't have a longer travel solution for the 100 when I began this experiment. It's about an N101 vs an N74L on a UZJ. That's it! You don't have to be a whiz to come up with a good idea for a modification. DUH! The pictures are to try to help non-believers see the light. If they don't want to believe the improvement it's their loss. It's not rocket science to tell the difference on the trail. Calamaridog was a believer INSTANTLY when he seen me on the trail. When Nolen sees GregB on the trail he'll change his tune ASAP.

It's not about who knows more. It's about a mod that was attempted, then trail tested to verify the gains (or losses), and deciding whether to keep the new setup or go back to the old. The new is a substantial gain. What you believe is your right.

If ATS starts a thread on what he does suspension-wise he won't get arguments from me because he's trail tested the setup and I have not. For him or anyone to dispute my findings (especially the way he has done so) without doing their own testing shows one's ignorance or one's rush to judgement.

Cruise Moab will be over soon. This will put the topic to bed.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

You know what I find hilarious?

IF....someone like Slee would have experimented with the N74L on the 100, then trail tested it, and then commented about the benefits....everyone would be drooling for change.

Forget all the techo blab that me, ATS, and everyone else has wirtten, it's meaningless. It's the report of a positive trail test from an "expert" that would have got everyone fired up to convert ASAP.

So, it's only "Shotts" who did the mod and the trail testing....so, here come the skeptics. That's OK. My hat's off to Mr. Slee for comparing the 2 shocks for me and letting me know how they'd fit on. It's the BEST mod I've done to my truck.

 

[calamaridog]

Moving the link down to suit the lifted height will chnage the pivot angle of the sway bar, and move it away from the shock. As you move the link down, it moves it away from the shock.

We cut the link, and press it into another tube to adjust the length then weld each end into place.

I understand and appreciate what you are saying but what I'm saying is that with John's set-up, relocating the sway bar will not accomplish anything.

His bolt-in shock set-up is fully extended as is, and moving the sway bar will not allow his shock to extend any more.

At this point, he may rub a little paint off it, but he shouldn't damage the shock body.

Perhaps this is beneficial and necessary with your set-up due to increased travel.

 

[calamaridog]

John -

I think you'll find there are many of us who take Darren quite seriously. His technical knowledge and experience are far stronger than that of the seat of your wife's pants or the opinions of your wheeling buddies. He was proven in the Cruiser wagon long before you even thought about buying your first Cruiser. So, whatever your beef is with Darren, I would definately not go around touting the "take me seriously" card. IMHO, you'll lose every time.

As I believe Nolen said, your pics don't mean squat. Photos are like statistics, they can always be made to suit anyone's opinion. Comparing two photos of trucks on the same obstacle is meaningless, unless you can guarantee every variable, every exact placement of every tire, etc., which of course you can't.

Derek,

It sounds like you are of the opinion that only Darren and Slee should post since they are "experts".

And since when do pictures not "mean squat". Oh wait, you and Nolan said so, so it must be true. I don't even think we need a disclaimer, I think everyone knows the pictures were not taken under labratory conditions, to exacting scientific standards.

In my opinion, the pictures are very telling, especially to the newest members who have no idea what their rigs are capable of. Not to mention the pictures are interesting and FUN to look at. Oh wait, you mean this is supposed to be fun?

I am certainly not a suspension or wheeling EXPERT, but I can tell you that from my perspective, it was obvious that the longer spring and shock in the rear of John's truck made a noticable difference on the trail.

John was able to negotiate the obsticles easier than I was. In this case, it's really that simple. If you want maximum rear travel, from currently available, bolt-in products, then you should do the N74L and 863 spring in the rear.