Fj60 to fj80 axles 35s?

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Lucky1386

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Hi there just picked up a set of fj80 axles(front and rear) that I am going to run on my 60.

I was curious if by doing this could I run 35s with out having to cut and turn the axles like on a stock 60 series housing? I assume I don't need to but better to ask than assume.

Not sure yet if I am going to do 3link up front or run radius arm setup.

The rear will be set up for leaf spring and most likely SOA depending on the input I get from all your help.

Thnx in advance
 
that's a cart before the horse question.
Decide on what you are doing first.
 
When you set it up you want to get the castor right, depending on how much lift you want that could put the pinyon angle off this could be addressed with a double cardan driveshaft or you could do the cut and turn. JMO :cool:
If it's going to be a street driven Rig just do the control arms and set it up like a 80.
Trail Taylor has a kit for this I believe just for what your doing puting 80 axles under a 60 takes all the guess work out of the equation. Again JMO
 
that's a cart before the horse question.
Decide on what you are doing first.
Well, I was hoping that I could get some guidance here. I wanted to do the trail tailor kit but then some people that I highly trust suggested a 3link setup will be better. That got me all turned around and figured I would use the ih8 mud resources to guide me better.

I intend for this to be a camping rig for the family and the occasional Rubicon run(taking bypasses).

I was thinking of using the hellfire knuckles as well.

@cruisermatt any opinion now that you have more context?

I will do an intro thread for my vehicle soon here, It's an 84 with a carb legal lm7 swap.

Thnx in advance.
 
Well, I was hoping that I could get some guidance here. I wanted to do the trail tailor kit but then some people that I highly trust suggested a 3link setup will be better. That got me all turned around and figured I would use the ih8 mud resources to guide me better.

I intend for this to be a camping rig for the family and the occasional Rubicon run(taking bypasses).

I was thinking of using the hellfire knuckles as well.

@cruisermatt any opinion now that you have more context?

I will do an intro thread for my vehicle soon here, It's an 84 with a carb legal lm7 swap.

Thnx in advance.

do you want my opinion as to whether you should link it or do radius arms? As to whether you do a cut and turn with either is going to depend on your rig, your measurements, your goals, etc. Again, cart before the horse. That's just something you figure out once you get into it. I'm going to GUESS you probably won't have to with either as most don't on 80's, but this is kind of like asking about what radiator hose you need if you haven't decided whether you are going LS or Cummins, does that make sense?
 
do you want my opinion as to whether you should link it or do radius arms? As to whether you do a cut and turn with either is going to depend on your rig, your measurements, your goals, etc. Again, cart before the horse. That's just something you figure out once you get into it. I'm going to GUESS you probably won't have to with either as most don't on 80's, but this is kind of like asking about what radiator hose you need if you haven't decided whether you are going LS or Cummins, does that make sense?
It totally does. Thank you for the input.
 
It totally does. Thank you for the input.
you're welcome. For your stated goals I am going to say the basic 80 series front setup will probably be just fine for you at a lot less complexity and math. If you've never done a project like this before that would be the better start since the geometry is already mostly figured out for you. Lot's of stock-ish 80's out there accomplishing the same goals
 
Just put control arms on it and be done 😂
 
What tranny are you running? The early split case H42 does not use the spacer on the back that the later one does. So, all else being equal, the driveshaft if a few inches shorter on the early tranny, resulting in slightly steeper angles. I've never done an SOA on an '60 without a cut and turn but I have done ir on a '62 with the longer auto tranny. Steep angles, but it worked just fine. The high pinion of the '80 front axle will help with the angles too of course.

Personally, for a rig tasked as you describe, I do not think I would go to the effort. The original axle will serve admirably. And the 9.5 inch diff will not have the same risk of going BOOM while backing up under load that the reverse cut 8 inch has

Mark...
 
What tranny are you running? The early split case H42 does not use the spacer on the back that the later one does. So, all else being equal, the driveshaft if a few inches shorter on the early tranny, resulting in slightly steeper angles. I've never done an SOA on an '60 without a cut and turn but I have done ir on a '62 with the longer auto tranny. Steep angles, but it worked just fine. The high pinion of the '80 front axle will help with the angles too of course.

Personally, for a rig tasked as you describe, I do not think I would go to the effort. The original axle will serve admirably. And the 9.5 inch diff will not have the same risk of going BOOM while backing up under load that the reverse cut 8 inch has

Mark...
I am running the 460le
i appreciate the input.
 
Double cardian front drive shaft and 4l60e is a no go. There is simply not enough space.

For your needs, a @TRAIL TAILOR coil swap kit is probably what you are wanting. A 3 linked front will be way way way flexier offroad, but since you are planning on driving your family around with it on the street, i wouldnt go with a 3 link. Especially since you say you plan to take the bypasses on the rubicon. 3 link is generally what people do when they have maxed out what they can get from the 80 series radius arm setup while NOT taking any bypasses and need MORE flex and performance. Everything is going to be a push/pulll with suspension. If you push towards offroad capability, you are going to pull away from road driving manners and safety. Same for the other way, push towards all out perfect street driving manners/ pull from offroad capability.

The caveat on leaning towards street driving manners is the oem 80 suspension flexes way better than the 60 series setup. You can set up the 80 suspension and add thicker whiteline sway bars for the best road driving manners, then just add a way to disconnect the sway bars at the trail and gain a bunch of flex back. That way you eliminate body roll on the street but still flex better than before on the trail. I havent added the sway bars to mine because they are spendy but plan to. I still have the oem 80 series sway bars front and rear

If you go 3 link, youre going to need to install a much beefier swaybar (currie) for it to handle decent on the road. OEM sway bars wont cut it. Then youll need to be looking at much more expensive coil over options and shocks.

The Trail Tailor kit is just an 80 series setup so youll be getting much cheaper coil springs and shocks. Id say a 3 link will at least triple the project cost at minimum. Also there are no purpose made 3 link kits for the 60 series that iknow of so youll be starting from scratch, or trying to make an 80 series kit work for the 60. The TT kit is like 1-1.5 days of install fabrication work (including waiting for paint to dry) and not really that bad of a job up front. The rear is much more intensive.


As far as the cut and turn goes. You can do it, imo its technically the Correct thing to do, but i didnt. Cut and turn is to get your pinion angle to caster correct. As you increase caster you pinion points up. You need your pinion flange angle and your tcase output flange angle to be pretty much parallel. people with 80 series just swap to a DC front drive shaft and call it a day, but since you are going to use the 4l60e, there simply isnt going to be enough room with your trans oil pan.

When you are setting up your LS swap, be very mindful of the amount of rearward tilt you are setting your motor up with with the motor mounts and the trans crossmember. You only want 2* pointed down going front to rear of the truck. So on your front output flange of your tcase that will give you 2* pointing up. In an absolute perfect world you would want your front axle pinion angle to be pointed down 2* to match that but then your caster will be somewhere in the -3* range which is not good. This is kinda where the cut and turn comes into play. After you set your desired ride hight with your springs, you would set your caster up to be in the stock 3-4* positive and then cut and turn your knuckle balls to make your pinion match up with your tcase output flange. This is a ton of work

In reality, you just kind of have to get your caster as close as you can to the stock setting ( id aim for 3*). Your front pinion angle will be off some and it will vibrate at speeds over 30-40 but how often are you driving that fast in 4wd? Since you are adding manual hubs to the axle, youll probably only be using 4wd for slow speed stuff and you wont have too much vibration. I honestly dont notice any at all on mine and i have too much caster.


This is a long winded way of saying... just do the TT coil kit, set your caster, and dont overthink it. If you are ever near Portland Oregon, give me a shout and youre welcome to drive mine
 
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Really appreciate the detailed response. I have ordered the TT kit and I am working on getting all the parts sorted for the axles.
 
IMO the stock control arm suspension works very well, I run 2.5" flexy duel rate spring. Nothing fancy.
As you can see in this video of the Soup Bowl on the Rubicon it can hang with the Big Boys and makes it easier then a lot of the linked rigs 🤪

You well be very happy with the setup you went with !!
Do you have a thread that we can all follow along ?
 
@Broski

This was my go at soup bowl. Lol def a little too rough on the gas.
 
Really appreciate the detailed response. I have ordered the TT kit and I am working on getting all the parts sorted for the axles.
Last One I did I didn't have to do a cut and turn . But I did use Delta 3 arms to correct it . Its a great Mod for the 60. I do coil spring in the frt, soa the rear. I used a 2.5 lift coil and med duty 2.5 lift leaf in the rear for the 35s .I have done a few of them . The TT kit fits like shet .. Compared to the Guys who invented that kit over at TOR FAB ..But I have found that with most parts .The imitators parts never seem to be as good. I also Like using the 80 steering box with that mod as well
 
Idk how one kit could fit that much differently than another? The user installing is kind of in control of how it fits no? I had some stumbling blocks on my install but it was due to either the way i installed something, or aftermarket parts not working right with each other. For example my metal tech upper control arms were too long causing me to have to run my rear axle too far back which caused the springs to rub the buckets in the back. I shortened the rear upper control arms, moved the rear axle forward and the rear is silent, besides my MRR shocks moving and the reservoirs hitting the lower control arms... again, aftermarket parts. I didnt really have much at all of fitment issues on the front of mine.

I definitely agree on the steering box though. Youre going to want the 80 series steering box and the marlin crawler steering upgrade kit for sure. Or if you have a hole burning in your wallet, the delta steering arm kit.

I just ordered the upgraded frame side TT mounts that add 1.75-2 degrees of caster over what the previous ones had. Should be able to remove my caster plates and run straight oem radius arms and be at factory caster spec now. No need for 1,300 dollar radius arms. The delta arms are awesome, but i feel like the 1,300 bucks could be better spent elsewhere on my truck
 
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