I too had the TJM T3 on my 100 and really liked it. I think this will look really good your truck!
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Markuson
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It is verified air-bag compliant, so that should be fine.
My 08 doesn't have a front-facing camera, but I doubt it would matter. The T13's uprights angle away with the lines of the grill, so the space there is wide open. Maybe someone with a camera can verify?
This one accommodates headlight washers, though I do not see holes for parking sensors. I suspect they will work fine, but frankly I turned my parking sensors off about a month after I bought my LC and prefer them deactivated. I'll let you know if they are made for them later when I break open the huge mess of bolts, nuts, etc. It's quite a pile.
Parking sensors are for girls. When you feel youve nudged something with the steel bumper you know you only need to back up a little and its perfect.
MScruiser
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You will have to drill holes for the sensors if you want them.
I love my T13, BTW.
I love my T13, BTW.
I love that 80
Contrary to the seemingly "extinct" status of new TJM T13 bumpers in the wild...
...I just drove home with this:
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Yippeeeeeeee!
Not only that...but I hear one of our venders is about to have 3...in stock ready to purchase...which means you won't have to wait FOREVER like I did...
Which vendor should I order from? I'm interested along with most other guys on this thread.
Markuson
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I'm pretty sure @sleeoffroad has the only three TJM T13 bumpers in the United States right now. I know this because I live 15 minutes from the new TJM US distributor and waited nearly 5 months for this one. 5 came in the shipping container TOTAL... One was Sold...I bought one...(via Slee) and the other three were on their way to Christo at Slee.
If you want one...don't wait, or you will be in for a very...VERY long wait.
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What was the price you paid? Is it less than the ARB?
Markuson
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Not any more than other heavy-ish stuff. If you adjust your front coil-over pre-load to handle the extra weight, it won't change handling...except in rocks, where you'll no longer whack your plastic bumper on everything.
-That's a handling change I'm looking forward to!Yeah, I currently have a stock bumper and like whipping my LC down the urban jungle of Chicago like a maniac (when no traffic present). I am worried I may have to give that up if I put a heavy bull bar on it. In the past, my other vehicles it didn't make a noticeable difference but I don't think it was as heavy. This one doesn't require cutting right? Is it possible to go back to stock bumper if I didn't like the handling characteristics?
Markuson
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This forum is filled with guys who run equally heavy bull bar bumpers, and they whip around just fine.
You are basically adding a passenger to your vehicle in terms of weight.
Handling will really hinge on what you do to your suspension to compensate.
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My experience may not be typical, but I'll throw it in.
Ever since I mounted my bumper, I definitely find myself driving slower and more carefully. The suspension is fine and could certainly tolerate the spirited driving, but my bigger concern is what happens if I get in an accident now. I know there has been a lot of chatter on the forum about impacts, etc. with these bumpers lately, but I definitely believe that there are now two possible outcomes in a collision: I am going to hit something softer than me and destroy it, or I am going to hit something unyielding and increase the deceleration forces to my occupants.
I consider these bumpers to come with an inherent responsibility not to needlessly put people in danger by driving my armored vehicle recklessly. Seen plenty of those bullbar bullies on the road and don't want to be one. But otherwise, it is my favorite mod (followed closely by my drawers).
My $0.02.
Markuson
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Valid reminders.
One thing is certain--bull bars are not nice to pedestrians.
Some in Australia have tried to outlaw them in town...because so many people have them for roos (Roo-Bars). They are definitely effective for animal strike protection because they bend the body around the bar and keep it out front (or remove major momentum before pieces hit your winshield)...but they are equally devastating to pedestrians. We are definitely driving huge, heavy vehicles that can do a lot of damage.
It's still significantly more safe than the bozos with jacked up trucks with bumpers at the roof level of my old BMW. There are bumper height laws for a reason. I'm dreading the day one of these housewives in a 12" lifted F250 buries their Iron Cross bumper into my sunroof.
So yeah, I'd rather be hit by a TJM (or whatever 200 bumper).
So yeah, I'd rather be hit by a TJM (or whatever 200 bumper).
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I've posted this a few times.. But for those that do not know their state regs on bumper height restrictions.
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Alabama
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Alaska
Modifications of original vehicle bumper height are permitted. Maximum frame height: 24 inches up to 4,500 lbs. GVWR; 26 inches for 4,501 to 7,500 lbs. GVWR; and 28 inches for 7,501 to 10,000 lbs. GVWR.
Arizona
Modification of original vehicle bumper is permitted.
Arkansas
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
California
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted. Maximum frame height: 23 inches for passenger vehicles.
Colorado
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Connecticut
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted, up to 4 inches from manufacturer’s original height for passenger vehicle, up to 30 inches above roadway for commercial vehicle.
Delaware
No passenger vehicle or station wagon shall be registered or operated upon any highway of the state if the bumper height exceeds 22 inches from the ground to the bottom of the bumper.
District of Columbia
Modification of original bumper height is permitted.
Florida
Maximum bumper heights are as follows:
Vehicles with a net weight of less than 2,500 lbs: 22 inches.
Vehicles with a net weight between 2,500 lbs. and 3,500 lbs: front bumper, 24 inches; rear bumper, 26 inches.
Vehicles with a net weight of 3,500 lbs. or more: front bumper, 27 inches; rear bumper, 29 inches.
Georgia
Modification of original vehicle bumper height or altering suspension system is illegal if altered more than 2 inches above or below factory recommendations.
Hawaii
The maximum bumper height for passenger vehicles is 22 inches; for vehicles with a GVWR of 4,500 lbs. and under, 29 inches; for vehicles with a GVWR of 4,501 to 7,500 lbs., 33 inches; for vehicles with a GVWR of 7,501 to 10,000 lbs., 35 inches.
Idaho
Maximum bumper heights are determined by vehicle class and the GVWR. As such, the maximum heights are:
The maximum bumper height on all motor vehicles except multipurpose passenger vehicles is 28 inches for the front bumper and 30 inches for the rear bumper, measured from the road surface.
Indiana
A passenger vehicle that was originally equipped with a standard bumper must have a bumper when operated on a highway. The height of the bumper cannot vary more than 3 inches from the original manufactured bumper height.
Iowa
Modification of bumper height is permitted.
Kansas
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Kentucky
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted, provided Driver’s vision is not obscured.
Louisiana
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Maine
Modification of original vehicle frame height permitted. Maximum frame height for vehicles up to 4,500 lbs is 24 inches in the front and 26 inches in the rear. Lift blocks and spring shackle extensions are prohibited. Door height limits apply.
Maryland
A person may not operate a vehicle on any highway if the height of the vehicle’s bumpers exceed:
Massachusetts
No person shall alter, modify, or change the height of a motor vehicle with an original manufacturer’s GVWR of up to and including 10,000 lbs., by elevating or lowering the chassis or body by more than 2 inches above or below the manufacturer’s specified height.
Michigan
A passenger car shall not have a frame height that exceeds 12 inches or a bumper height that exceeds 22 inches. A pickup truck or sport utility vehicle cannot exceed the following: up to 4,500 GVWR – 24-inch frame height, 26-inch bumper height; 4,501 to 7,500 GVWR – 24-inch frame height, 28-inch bumper height; 7,501 to 10,000 GVWR – 26-inch frame height, 30-inch bumper height.
All trucks or sport utility vehicles having an increased suspension must be equipped with a bumper on both the front and rear of the vehicle.
Minnesota
The maximum bumper height (measured from the bottom of the bumper to the ground) for any passenger automobile or station wagon is 20 inches.
The maximum bumper height of any 4-wheel drive multipurpose vehicle, van, or pickup truck is 25 inches.
Mississippi
Modification of original vehicle bumper height cannot exceed 8 inches total lift with a maximum of 6-inch suspension lift front and rear.
Missouri
Bumper are required. The maximum bumper height for passenger vehicles is 22 inches.
Montana
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Nebraska
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Nevada
The maximum bumper height for a passenger car is 24 inches.
New Hampshire
The height of a bumper of a private passenger vehicle must be between 16 and 20 inches from the ground.
The height of a bumper of any vehicle other than a private passenger vehicle must be between 16 and 30 inches from the ground.
New Jersey
Bumpers shall be mounted at a height that meets manufacturer’s specifications.
New Mexico
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
New York
No person shall operate a motor vehicle with a model year of 1999 or after, except a motorcycle or special purpose commercial vehicle granted an exception by the DMV, which is so constructed that the body has a clearance at the front end more than 30 inches from the ground when empty, unless the front end is equipped with bumpers or devices so located that (a) some part of the bumper or device must be at least 16 but not more than 30 inches above the ground with the vehicle empty; (b) the maximum distance between the closest points between the bumpers or devices, if more than 1 is used does not exceed 24 inches; (c) the maximum trans-verse distance from the widest part of the motor vehicle at the front to the bumper or device shall not exceed 18 inches; and (d) the bumpers or devices shall be substantially constructed and firmly attached.
North Carolina
The manufacturer’s specified bumper height of any passenger motor vehicle shall not be elevated or lowered more than 6 inches in the front or back of the vehicle, without prior written approval from the DMV.
North Dakota
The maximum bumper height permitted is 27 inches measured from a level ground surface to the highest point on the bottom of the bumper.
Ohio
The minimum bumper height is 4.5 inches in vertical height.
Maximum bumper heights are 22 inches for passenger vehicles, 26 inches for 4,500 lbs. and under GVWR, 29 inches for 4,501 lbs. to 7,500 lbs. GVWR, and 31 inches for 7,501 lbs. to 10,000 lbs. GVWR.
Oklahoma
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted. Note: Headlamps cannot be mounted at a height measured from center of the lamp no greater than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches.
Oregon
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted; lighting equipment must stay within minimum/maximum heights. No portion of the vehicle, except tires, can be lower than the lowest portion of any rim of any wheel in contact with the roadway.
Pennsylvania
Modification of original vehicle bumper is legal with parameters set by state. Some part of the bumper must fall between 16 and 20 inches about the ground on passenger vehicles, and between 16 and 30 inches on multipurpose passenger vehicles and light trucks.
Rhode Island
Modification of original bumper height is illegal unless exempted (exemptions include some farm and forestry vehicles).
South Carolina
It is illegal to elevate or lower passenger vehicle more than 6 inches from the original height.
South Dakota
Modification of original bumper height is permitted.
Tennessee
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is legal with restrictions. Maximum bumper height is 22 inches on passenger vehicles, and between 14 and 31 inches on 4-wheel drive recreational vehicles.
Texas
A person may not operate on a public roadway a passenger or commercial vehicle that has been modified from its original design or weighted so that the clearance between any part of the vehicle other than the wheels and the surface of the level roadway is less than the clearance between the roadway and the lowest part of the rim of any wheel in contact with the roadway.
Utah
Bumpers must be at least 4.5 inches in height. Lift kits are permitted. Four inch tires, 4 inch lift on 100-inch+ wheel base; under 100-inch wheelbase, height is determined by formula.
Vermont
Modification of the original vehicle bumper height is illegal.
Virginia
Modification of original bumper height is permitted but must meet state standards. Bumpers must be between 14 and 22 inches in height.
Washington
A passenger vehicle may not be modified from the original design so that any portion of the vehicle other than the wheels has less clearance from the surface of a level roadway than the clearance between the roadway and the lowermost portion of any rim of any wheel the tire on which is in contact with the roadway.
West Virginia
The front and rear bumper height of motor vehicles with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 10,000 lbs. or less must be not less than 6 inches and not more than 31 inches.
Wisconsin
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted 4 inches above or below manufacturer’s specs.
Wyoming
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Puerto Rico
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
I've posted this a few times.. But for those that do not know their state regs on bumper height restrictions.
J
Alabama
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Alaska
Modifications of original vehicle bumper height are permitted. Maximum frame height: 24 inches up to 4,500 lbs. GVWR; 26 inches for 4,501 to 7,500 lbs. GVWR; and 28 inches for 7,501 to 10,000 lbs. GVWR.
Arizona
Modification of original vehicle bumper is permitted.
Arkansas
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
California
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted. Maximum frame height: 23 inches for passenger vehicles.
Colorado
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Connecticut
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted, up to 4 inches from manufacturer’s original height for passenger vehicle, up to 30 inches above roadway for commercial vehicle.
Delaware
No passenger vehicle or station wagon shall be registered or operated upon any highway of the state if the bumper height exceeds 22 inches from the ground to the bottom of the bumper.
District of Columbia
Modification of original bumper height is permitted.
Florida
Maximum bumper heights are as follows:
Vehicles with a net weight of less than 2,500 lbs: 22 inches.
Vehicles with a net weight between 2,500 lbs. and 3,500 lbs: front bumper, 24 inches; rear bumper, 26 inches.
Vehicles with a net weight of 3,500 lbs. or more: front bumper, 27 inches; rear bumper, 29 inches.
Georgia
Modification of original vehicle bumper height or altering suspension system is illegal if altered more than 2 inches above or below factory recommendations.
Hawaii
The maximum bumper height for passenger vehicles is 22 inches; for vehicles with a GVWR of 4,500 lbs. and under, 29 inches; for vehicles with a GVWR of 4,501 to 7,500 lbs., 33 inches; for vehicles with a GVWR of 7,501 to 10,000 lbs., 35 inches.
Idaho
Maximum bumper heights are determined by vehicle class and the GVWR. As such, the maximum heights are:
- Passenger cars, front: 22 inches; rear: 22 inches.
- Trucks and multipurpose vehicles, front: 24 inches; rear: 26 inches.
- Vehicles from 4,501 to 7,500 lbs. GVWR, front: 27 inches; rear: 29 inches.
- Vehicles from 7,501 to 10,000 lbs. GVWR, front: 28 inches; rear: 30 inches.
- 4-wheel drive or dual-wheel vehicles with a 10,000 lbs. or less GVWR, front: 30 inches; rear: 31 inches.
The maximum bumper height on all motor vehicles except multipurpose passenger vehicles is 28 inches for the front bumper and 30 inches for the rear bumper, measured from the road surface.
Indiana
A passenger vehicle that was originally equipped with a standard bumper must have a bumper when operated on a highway. The height of the bumper cannot vary more than 3 inches from the original manufactured bumper height.
Iowa
Modification of bumper height is permitted.
Kansas
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Kentucky
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted, provided Driver’s vision is not obscured.
Louisiana
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Maine
Modification of original vehicle frame height permitted. Maximum frame height for vehicles up to 4,500 lbs is 24 inches in the front and 26 inches in the rear. Lift blocks and spring shackle extensions are prohibited. Door height limits apply.
Maryland
A person may not operate a vehicle on any highway if the height of the vehicle’s bumpers exceed:
- 20 inches for passenger vehicles;
- 28 inches for multipurpose vehicles and trucks with GVW of 10,000 lbs. or less;
- 30 inches for trucks with a GVW exceeding 10,000 lbs.; or
- 32 inches for trucks used for spraying agricultural crops.
Massachusetts
No person shall alter, modify, or change the height of a motor vehicle with an original manufacturer’s GVWR of up to and including 10,000 lbs., by elevating or lowering the chassis or body by more than 2 inches above or below the manufacturer’s specified height.
Michigan
A passenger car shall not have a frame height that exceeds 12 inches or a bumper height that exceeds 22 inches. A pickup truck or sport utility vehicle cannot exceed the following: up to 4,500 GVWR – 24-inch frame height, 26-inch bumper height; 4,501 to 7,500 GVWR – 24-inch frame height, 28-inch bumper height; 7,501 to 10,000 GVWR – 26-inch frame height, 30-inch bumper height.
All trucks or sport utility vehicles having an increased suspension must be equipped with a bumper on both the front and rear of the vehicle.
Minnesota
The maximum bumper height (measured from the bottom of the bumper to the ground) for any passenger automobile or station wagon is 20 inches.
The maximum bumper height of any 4-wheel drive multipurpose vehicle, van, or pickup truck is 25 inches.
Mississippi
Modification of original vehicle bumper height cannot exceed 8 inches total lift with a maximum of 6-inch suspension lift front and rear.
Missouri
Bumper are required. The maximum bumper height for passenger vehicles is 22 inches.
Montana
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Nebraska
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Nevada
The maximum bumper height for a passenger car is 24 inches.
New Hampshire
The height of a bumper of a private passenger vehicle must be between 16 and 20 inches from the ground.
The height of a bumper of any vehicle other than a private passenger vehicle must be between 16 and 30 inches from the ground.
New Jersey
Bumpers shall be mounted at a height that meets manufacturer’s specifications.
New Mexico
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
New York
No person shall operate a motor vehicle with a model year of 1999 or after, except a motorcycle or special purpose commercial vehicle granted an exception by the DMV, which is so constructed that the body has a clearance at the front end more than 30 inches from the ground when empty, unless the front end is equipped with bumpers or devices so located that (a) some part of the bumper or device must be at least 16 but not more than 30 inches above the ground with the vehicle empty; (b) the maximum distance between the closest points between the bumpers or devices, if more than 1 is used does not exceed 24 inches; (c) the maximum trans-verse distance from the widest part of the motor vehicle at the front to the bumper or device shall not exceed 18 inches; and (d) the bumpers or devices shall be substantially constructed and firmly attached.
North Carolina
The manufacturer’s specified bumper height of any passenger motor vehicle shall not be elevated or lowered more than 6 inches in the front or back of the vehicle, without prior written approval from the DMV.
North Dakota
The maximum bumper height permitted is 27 inches measured from a level ground surface to the highest point on the bottom of the bumper.
Ohio
The minimum bumper height is 4.5 inches in vertical height.
Maximum bumper heights are 22 inches for passenger vehicles, 26 inches for 4,500 lbs. and under GVWR, 29 inches for 4,501 lbs. to 7,500 lbs. GVWR, and 31 inches for 7,501 lbs. to 10,000 lbs. GVWR.
Oklahoma
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted. Note: Headlamps cannot be mounted at a height measured from center of the lamp no greater than 54 inches nor less than 22 inches.
Oregon
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted; lighting equipment must stay within minimum/maximum heights. No portion of the vehicle, except tires, can be lower than the lowest portion of any rim of any wheel in contact with the roadway.
Pennsylvania
Modification of original vehicle bumper is legal with parameters set by state. Some part of the bumper must fall between 16 and 20 inches about the ground on passenger vehicles, and between 16 and 30 inches on multipurpose passenger vehicles and light trucks.
Rhode Island
Modification of original bumper height is illegal unless exempted (exemptions include some farm and forestry vehicles).
South Carolina
It is illegal to elevate or lower passenger vehicle more than 6 inches from the original height.
South Dakota
Modification of original bumper height is permitted.
Tennessee
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is legal with restrictions. Maximum bumper height is 22 inches on passenger vehicles, and between 14 and 31 inches on 4-wheel drive recreational vehicles.
Texas
A person may not operate on a public roadway a passenger or commercial vehicle that has been modified from its original design or weighted so that the clearance between any part of the vehicle other than the wheels and the surface of the level roadway is less than the clearance between the roadway and the lowest part of the rim of any wheel in contact with the roadway.
Utah
Bumpers must be at least 4.5 inches in height. Lift kits are permitted. Four inch tires, 4 inch lift on 100-inch+ wheel base; under 100-inch wheelbase, height is determined by formula.
Vermont
Modification of the original vehicle bumper height is illegal.
Virginia
Modification of original bumper height is permitted but must meet state standards. Bumpers must be between 14 and 22 inches in height.
Washington
A passenger vehicle may not be modified from the original design so that any portion of the vehicle other than the wheels has less clearance from the surface of a level roadway than the clearance between the roadway and the lowermost portion of any rim of any wheel the tire on which is in contact with the roadway.
West Virginia
The front and rear bumper height of motor vehicles with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 10,000 lbs. or less must be not less than 6 inches and not more than 31 inches.
Wisconsin
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted 4 inches above or below manufacturer’s specs.
Wyoming
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
Puerto Rico
Modification of original vehicle bumper height is permitted.
When are you going to install your new bumper? I'd help you if I wasn't in Oregon. Do you need some help? I'm sure someone on here is close that can lend a hand. What lights have you picked out? A bar, rounds or squares.....looking forward to the post bolt on shot!
