Obviously not simple, what was the fail and can you just fix it?
Emissions Law Change
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Obviously not simple, what was the fail and can you just fix it?
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Where as I would previously just go through the Referee Lane and they would look at the engine bay and review my paperwork, now they require you to connect to the OBD port and the scanner must see a matching chassis and engine ECM/serial number. Having a mixed bag, like an LS swapped 80 Series, is no longer accepted. The emissions station manager said he was getting tons of people, think any hot rod or engine swapped rig, that have been failed and forced to file appeals with the state just as I did. They said there are several thousand rigs around the state that will no longer be able to be registered in Pima and Maricopa county if the new laws stand. So far I am two weeks in on waiting for word back and starting to get pretty frustrated.
They did change that a few years ago, you now need to have a utility bill or a lease showing your a resident.
All of this is big BOOOOOOO.
Classic plates vs classic insurance.
Classic plates do nothing but put money in AZ pockets..
Classic insurance removes the requirement for smog all together. Like mentioned in another post classic insurance really restricts how much you can drive your vehicle. I have it on my HJ61 and I accept all risks involved with it, but I also don't daily drive it. Big plus it's like $350 a year. I forget the exact age, but I am think it's gotta be 25 years old to be eligible.
So this does not effect pre OBD2 vehicles?
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Correct. Pre-OBD rigs would not be affected to my understanding
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Latest update: I spent about an hour on the phone today getting bounced from the AZ Emissions Testing Office to the ADEQ, and then back to the Emission Office. I was told to call back to the ADEQ and ask for an agent in the the exemptions/appeals role. I got a nice lady who took my info and story, put me on hold for about 10 minutes and then came back saying she did not know what to say and that there have been no recent law changes of the such. She then told me I would get a call from a fella named Tony this afternoon to discuss this further. So here I wait.
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For small consideration in American dollars am happy to be selling to you license plates from any states with current registration so as to be relieving you of any stupid capitalist regulation or requirement.
Boris Badenov
Boris Badenov
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SO.........we have a conclusion. I got a call from both the ADEQ and the AZ Emissions Office. After 3 weeks of frustration, I am good to go. Both of the named parties apologized for the headache and stated that it comes down to the techs and manager at the check station being misinformed. There has in fact been no recent law changes. There has been no change in the bulb check policy for 1996-2005 vehicles. There has ONLY been a change in 2006 and later vehicles. 1996-2005 rigs with swapped engines can still get a bulb check and pass as long as they have all the required emissions equipment for the year the engine was produced. In my case, my engine is a 2012, so I have to have cats, O2 sensors, and evap from 2012 standards. Any vehicle with an engine swap and a chassis 2006 and later, MUST have the chassis VIN in the engine ECM. The ADEQ did say that rules/laws can change at any time and there is no guarantee that I can re-register in another 2 years. Call you politician!
Friday, I go back to the station at 8:00am for a code scan, a bulb check, and a visual inspection to verify I have cats and O2 sensors. After that, I am good for another 2 years.
Friday, I go back to the station at 8:00am for a code scan, a bulb check, and a visual inspection to verify I have cats and O2 sensors. After that, I am good for another 2 years.
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So, I was 2nd in line Friday morning when they opened and I now have my rego sorted. I have all the documentation printed and will laminate and add to my binder that goes with me every time I go to the emissions check. If anyone has trouble, reach out to me and I can try to help you through it.
That is good to know. As I said above, it looks like there were new rules that were proposed in 2022 and will presumably take effect when they are approved by the Feds. Or at some other time. And then who knows how long it might take for the changes to propagate down to all the testers.
How those rules might change things I do not know, but if I were considering an engine swap in a post 1995 vehicle in Maricopa or Pima counties I would consider trying to make it have a working OBD2 port for emission testing. Assuming that is even possible.
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I wired my LS ECM into the OBD2 port, so yes, it can be done either by using the existing plug, or replace the existing one with the one from your new harness if going that route.
DTSkyCop
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I have only had Classic insurance on my FJ40 and have never been asked on renewal what my mileage is or how much I drove the previous year. The only thing I was questioned about after having Haggerty for 2 years was, does my home have a garage or carport. They dropped me because I did not have a garage. I am now with American Collectors Insurance and they were slightly more expensive but took into consideration my circumstance of a carport vs, a garage and provided me reasonably priced Declared Value Insurance of $45,000.00. They have NEVER asked how many miles I drive annually. They simply state you are allowed to drive the vehicle as much as you want to & from club events or enjoyment etc., You can use it as much as you want. ***** They only wanted to know that I had another vehicle to drive as a daily driver and that had different insurance. ***** This is the only way they are confirming that my vehicle is not a daily driver besides my word of such. They told me I was NOT restricted by mileage though...
I'll have to check them out.. hagerty gave me a solid no when I shopping around.
Off topic slightly but this is the part I didn't like about "classic" insurance. I was with Hagerty for a little while, I don't believe I had a mileage limit. But the fine print basically gave them an excuse to deny any claim unless it happened while the vehicle was used for a club event, parade, or driving to a service shop. I went back to regular insurance as soon as I could.
"As much as you want" may not mean "however you want".
"The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away".
thisand no mileage restrictions,
you only have to show proof of another "primary car" in your name
DTSkyCop
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I get that for sure.... The problem is, these insurance companies want to get premiums and if they do stuff like not pay for cheesy reasons, word get out. I have mine insured for a pretty fair amount and have been told if something happens they usually respond fairly quickly without any big issues. I hope honestly I never find out. They did tell me I could drive it as much as I wanted as long as it was not my sole means of transportation for the insurance I purchased.