Elsie went WeWeWe all the way home

[77mustard40]

So what's the plan for the Sat the 14th, I'm thinking we commence to wrenching after C&C? You put together a list of goodies for him to order? Looking at the motor I'm thinking:


[*]Cap/Rotor/Points/Wires/Plugs ... possibly igniter?
[*]Belts/Hoses/Thermostat/Rad flush and new coolant.
[*]Carb rebuild/Fuel filter/soft fuel lines/air filter
[*]Battery/cables?

That should get her running anyway, not sure on what needs to be done on the brakes/clutch master/slave side?

Tucker

Man the WIFE rule struck again and I'm on my way to Tyler that weekend. I think your list is pretty comprehensive, I already got him to pull the plug for a carb kit and it's already torn down and bathing in the one gallon can in my garage.

I will price the rest of the goodies and see if I can get George to hit the deck. I'll post an alternative date in the clubhouse section for a wrench day. The 14th would have been perfect, unless you want to take over for a day. I will have the carb ready to go, let me know what you think.

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[PabloCruise]

So what's the plan for the Sat the 14th, I'm thinking we commence to wrenching after C&C? You put together a list of goodies for him to order? Looking at the motor I'm thinking:

• Cap/Rotor/Points/Wires/Plugs ... possibly igniter?
• Belts/Hoses/Thermostat/Rad flush and new coolant.
• Carb rebuild/Fuel filter/soft fuel lines/air filter
• Battery/cables?

That should get her running anyway, not sure on what needs to be done on the brakes/clutch master/slave side?

Tucker

New oil and filter?

 

[PabloCruise]

Hey TJ, it's really not too hard once you've been in there a couple times (assuming it isn't royally screwed). You should pull your air horn sometime and check it out. That'll give you a good introduction.

From the crosspost in the 40 section, there's a couple links with lots of pictures...
https://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/580647-charity-carb-work.html

Thanks Matt!

 

[77mustard40]

Wish I knew my way around a carb like you seem to...

Hey I was at ground zero a few months ago thinking i might send mine off to GOD for service. Then I watched Pinheads videos on YouTube and decided to jump in and would still be swimming without the help of a lot of nice folks on Mud. I bet I disassembled and reassembled a handful of times trying work through a couple of issues. Once you know you can put one back together your off and running. I must say there is satisfaction in learning a little about these guys.

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[77mustard40]

Built the carb up this weekend. Had to search high and low for the E retainer clip that holds the small check ball in the bottom of the pump. She is not purdy but much better on the inside.

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[Pighead]

She is not purdy but much better on the inside.

Nonsense, that is beautiful.


EDIT: I believe Pigs go "WEE-WEE-WEE"...unless French Pigs, which go "OUI-OUI-OUI".

 

[77mustard40]

Ok so today i have been working on her and I have stumped myself.

I have removed the C clip that retains the points but can't get the points to slid off the post. Two screws have been removed and the points rotated freely but will not slide off. I'm embarrassed at what my frustration has done to what is in there but here is where I am. Suggestions?

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[PabloCruise]

I feel your frustration, but am clueless about points. My '78 and 3FE are full electronic.

Sorry

 

[77mustard40]

Hey I got it. Decided to pull the dizzy for a bench clean and rebuild. I'm going to need the little plastic piece that goes through the hole in the side of the dizzy cause it's cracked.

Turned into a neighborhood gathering. We're done for the day but sitting around the ole girl thinking about a beer. I will post some photos from the camera tonight, here is the iPhone shot of the moment.

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[77mustard40]

Sitting here with a beer in hand and got curious to see the condition of the paint. Looky here. Once we start her I'm going to have to clean her up, I think she will look great!

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[Pighead]

It'll take years to get your patina back...

 

[77mustard40]

So here is a recap of the day, lets start with the morning loading of the 40 with tools and parts. Its only 3 houses down the street but one trip is sounding better than multiple ones back and forth

Took a table down as well to set up shop in George's driveway

 

[77mustard40]

Got quite a bit accomplished today: changed the oil and filter. Filter looked like it could have been the original but the oil did not look too bad. Installed new plugs and mounted the carb and adjusted the throttle cable, she should be good to go.


Changed out the fuel filter and all the lines. Drained the fuel tank, here is a look at the last gallon. Was golden brown in color but was clear and did not contain any visible loose debris that I could see.

 

[77mustard40]

Changed out the air filter and mounted the filter assembly parts. Ran into trouble with the dizzy...could not get the points out at first. Finally got them after a major struggle. The little screw that holds the condenser would not budge and I didn't want to strip it, so I shot it with PB Blaster and went to reinstall new points.

I had the little round plastic washer break when I unscrewed the nut and bolt going into the distributor housing where the points attach. To make matters worse, the inner part of this assembly where the points get plugged in to the electrical source broke off and fell... where I don't know.

Fearing that it went down into the distributor I pulled the dizzy to disassemble, clean and rebuild on the bench.

I need to find out the part that is broken, I have looked on SOR and Toyotapartszone.com but I'm not finding what it might be. Here is a shot of what I have.

 

[77mustard40]

Out with the dog and noticed George has been rubbin on Elsie.



Going to try to start her this afternoon.

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[77mustard40]

Ok I had we had about an hour and a half of common time to work on her, here is where we are:

1. Finished re-assembling the dizzy
2. Stabbed her into the exact orientation as it was removed (took a picture before removing) and made sure is sat all the way down to engage the oil pump
3. Hooked up vacuum lines
4. Turned her over without the rotor to simply pump new gas through, once I was convinced we had new gas to the carb I made up the hardline to the carb.
5. Installed the rotor and turned her again to try to find the timing mark with my light. Never found it, must be really dirty. Estimated the timing based on relative location of #1 on the dizzy cap to 3 & 4 spark plugs.
6. Checked the site glass, fuel level looks a little high but the glass (plastic) is really cloudy
7. Two pumps of the accelerator pedal and let her rip, got her to kind of start but that was with a lot of nursing the throttle and popping back out of the carb.
8) We do have oil pressure on the gage

Close but no cigar, I think its first and goal from the one or two from here.

Tomorrow I'm pulling the plugs and turning the motor with the hand crank to TDC to 1)find the timing mark on the flywheel and clean or paint it and 2) make sure the dizzy is in the best possible position to start her.

Couple Questions since I don't have a FSM for an F155:
1) what is the correct point gap - I set it to .016" while on the bench
2) what is the correct dwell (for when I can get it to run and start fine tuning)

Thanks, I would post a couple of vids if I could figure out how to get them posted to Youtube (beginner at that)

 

[77mustard40]

Update, win some and lose some

So its been a few weeks since we dealt Elsie any TLC, but Memorial Day seemed like the time to give her a new go, and what an afternoon of ups and downs:

- Pulled the air cleaner top and made sure the carb didn't have the choke plate closed (choke engaged) since the old cable is really rough and needs either an overhaul or replacing
- Pulled the dizzy cap to expose the rotor and grabbed the old crank from under the seat, turned her to the timing mark on the flywheel (rusted over)
- Roughed off the grime and rust on the flywheel BB with a cleaning pad, hit it with a Sharpie Paint Pen in white
- With the engine sitting at 7* BTDC, I turned the dizzy to approximate the firing position of #1
- Quick check (skis, boots, poles) and let her rip
- She fired up within 10-15 seconds, hooked up the the timing light and dialed the timing to about 10* BTDC
- Let her warm up... great oil pressure... temp stabilized at 1/3 up the gage after 10 minutes or so
- Hooked up the Tach and Dwell meter, did the first pass on the carb adjustments
- Sounded better than the 2F in the 77 FJ40, almost no valve noise at all compared to my sewing machine, what a thrill...


*** then all heal broke loose after about 20 minutes at idle with the occasional goose of the throttle. It was a popping or banging noise somewhere in the lower block back by 4,5, or 6 ... so I shut her down. After checking everything we could find on the outside and below I fired her again, started effortlessly but there was the noise again, and you could feel it inside the rig. Im at a loss since the start and run went so well. Things I know:

1. The clutch system has not been touched, needs a bleed at minimum. Truck was in nuetral for all of the above so I dont think that it was the clutch.
2. This thing has been sitting for years, maybe an oil passage was blocked and we burned up a bearing?
3. Maybe we lost a wrist pin or connecting rod, but it still ran even with this noise

George has tossed in the towel so I'm going to buy her and drag her up the street, don't tell my wife. Thinking of dropping the oil pan to have a look, thoughts? I haven't built one of these old motors, how hard can it be? I'll make sure I don't do anything FJ40Jim's customers have done in his thread in the 40 section.

 

[tucker74]

Hmm - noise coming from the bottom end makes me think wrist pin or bearing It's not too hard to pull the oil pan and check it out, really sucks after all the work you guys have put in. The old F155s have an oiler tube that runs up though the head to get the valves, but that would have effected the top end instead of the bottom. Sounds like you did everything I would have to start her ...

Tucker