Early LWB tailgate measurements wanted

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So I got my 3 hole reproduction tailgate for my '64 from Canada, which I must say looks amazing! I took a measurement of it's length and height at the shop yesterday. Top rail is 65 5/8 and height is 17".

When I got home, I measured the tailgate on the '64. Top rail is 65 7/8, height is 16.5".

Curious to know what other THREE hole STOCK LPB tailgate owners have for measurement.
 
Mark, I got 65 7/8 top rail and 16 3/4! Youve raised an interesting quality control issue! I have one of Kevins repro's too, will have to check it when I get home.
 
Mark, I got 65 7/8 top rail and 16 3/4! Youve raised an interesting quality control issue! I have one of Kevins repro's too, will have to check it when I get home.

Brian, I hardly think it's a quality control issue. My hunch is that the repro measurements may be based off a 4 hole tailgate. FWIW, I don't have the measurements, but I seem to recall the repro one I had Eshan make me all those years ago [which I ended up forwarding to Jeremiah] measured out different to my gate as well. I had a hunch then that Ehsan might be going off a 4 hole gate for measurement, but never followed up with him.

I will have to take more measurements when I get back from my next adventure [I leave in a couple of hours]
Based on my current thoughts, it would also be useful to know the distance from the top of the top rail to the centerline of the hinge mounting holes in the lower rib. My stock gate measures 15 7/16ths. So if that measurement is GREATER on a 4 hole gate, then the top rail is going to be higher than the rails on the bed. If it is the same, I may have to notch the bottom of the sheetmetal under the rib to clear the bed side of the hinge.
 
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My 1965 three hinge gate measures 66 x 16-3/4. It is bowed and that may be changing the dimensions. I bought a reproduction gate and I will say the hinge holes lined up perfectly on AwlTEQ's.
 
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I am late reading this and could not adequately measure things outside in the dark. But it has piqued my interest. I never realized there may be differences between the years of tailgates, other than the hinge placement. I am aware of profile differences in the tailgate clamp latches, but probably not apparent to most people.

Some hasty rough measurements, along with some taken indoors, indicate old tailgates with widths ranging between 65-13/16 to 65-7/8, with heights from 16-5/8 to 16-3/4 inches.

While some folks are adding a non-existent tailgate, others like myself are replacing bowed or damaged tailgates. I measured several of my "bowed" tailgates and the dimensions are off by 1/4 inch or more in each direction, depending on damage. Kevin's work is dimensionally straight, as would be an original new unused factory tailgate, not bowed or skewed or tweaked in any direction. Tomorrow I'll measure an early 1965 3-hinge tailgate I bought that was a day-one take-off, and compare it with several original tailgates from the eighties, and report back here.

As the tailgates are externally fit to the bed, and not fitted inside the side walls of the bed, I suppose some minor trimming could be had as well as very minor adjustments to the hinges. We all know American cars from the fifties and sixties that had panel gaps that were uneven at best. A few restorers of those vehicles have been known to clean up the factory gaps with lead, creating a precision that never existed originally. My guess is that Toyota was no different, and that minor variations in the original tailgates occurred, from the beginning. After all, these were work trucks, not finished to the level of a Ferrari or a Bentley.

I have not fitted one of Kevin's repro tailgates to anything yet, until the rest of the body and bed is corrected, so their installed appearance I cannot comment on. Anyone out there who has installed a new tailgate, could you comment on the fit to your truck bed--is it too high or low, too wide or narrow, or does it fit just fine?

Having never heard of a size difference, I know that if I were recreating tailgates, I would use whatever good sample I had on hand, whether three or four hinge, and create the other the same size as well. Hopefully this is all workable and everyone stays happy with their own results. With all the stories over the years of body panel manufacturers with lousy fitting parts and pieces, we would be very hard pressed to find someone as skilled as Kevin willing to work for pennies on the dollar. I for one will make this work, as I possess no skill to properly repair some of the old tailgates I have. Likely some day those old-timers will be put up for sale, and for someone qualified to do them justice.

Will do some careful measurement tomorrow.

MS
 
FWIW: from my best condition ones:

3-hinge AwlTeq: 65-7/8W x 16-3/4H
Existing 3-hinge: 65-7/8W x 16-5/8H
Existing 4-hinge: 65-7/8W x 16-11/16H.

All others undamaged +/- 1/16 inch. Factory tolerances are unknown.
Nothing new installed yet; however, the comparisons resulting from what I have measured seem negligible for my uses and I remain very happy with my purchases.
 
I am taking the LWB to work today and, time permitting, I will do a test fit.
 
Apples to apples.

I finally had a chance to get the truck down to the shop AND work on it yesterday. Unfortunately, I wasn't fully clearheaded (i'm fighting the flue) and I left the measurements at the shop.

I do remember five distinct things. The first and perhaps most important was that I wasn't using two different tape measures, in two different locations. That variable removed, the differences between the two were lessened. The reproduction gate was still slightly narrower than the OE, but I don't remember by how much. The repro gate was exactly 1/8" taller than the OE. And lastly, most importantly, that 1/8" difference was in the standing seam below the hinge rib, so it had no effect on mounting.

I will try to find a more appropriate thread to document the rest of my installation 'experience.'

Fifth and final note, confirming Bear's point about OE tolerances, my OE gate was taller on one side than the other, a fact I had not checked in my initial measurements, and which contributed to my initial concern.
 

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