Does a shock push the axle down?

[ats4x4dotcom]

John, no matter how you try and spin it, and Christo has done a great job of being diplomatic about your inaccuracies, and he has now even pointed out the same thing I did a month ago in another thread, that you need to learn more, and post less, because you are discrediting your own personal value by continiung to post stuff that is making you look like you are full of s***, and have no idea what your talking about.

Im sure you dont paint this picture of yourself intentianally, but your ill informed and incorrect statements are a trap for any newbie who may come along, when posted in a tech forum, if they do not not fully understand you dont know what your talking about.

Tech forums have no room for such incorrect information, and you should probably stop posting such stuff in a tech forum, once you have been made aware your wrong, because without researching better, so you can actually understand, and trying to tell everyone your "spin" on what you said, isnt working, so go post in chit chat, where no one will care, if your not willing to learn from people who are willing to give you information that costs them money to learn.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Yes....my apologies to all you techno-wizards. I am a techno-dumb-ass. Thanks for pointing this all out to me.

To the newbies....listen to the experts. They've discredited the useage of the N74L on the UZJ100. They certainly know a lot more than I do about this stuff so I'd follow their advice.

Stick to the N101 here in the US or until something else better comes along. The N74L was a dumb idea. I shouldn't have done the mod.

Let's put the whole idea to rest. Sorry everyone. I doubt that anybody else here in the US is stupid enough to follow in my 100-series footsteps, especially by adding these L-shocks to their truck.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

Yes....my apologies to all you techno-wizards. I am a techno-dumb-ass. Thanks for pointing this all out to me.

To the newbies....listen to the experts. They've discredited the useage of the N74L on the UZJ100. They certainly know a lot more than I do about this stuff so I'd follow their advice.

Thanks for proving me right again John.

The N74L is just a part No, and nothing new, as I explained, no one discredited your mod, just the fact you didnt know what you had done, and couldnt prove or explain anything other than your wife and you were happy with the money you spent, and the chance to bombard the forum with more pics of your truck.

When you actually get it, and understand it, and can indicate you understand the real issue with what you have been doing, then the whole thing will rest, until then, status quo.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

I run N74L shocks on my 100 and am thirlled with the setup.

I think it needs to change a screen name here to 'bad attidude toward taking advice"

Apart form that, what else have you tried apart for the 74L to compare it to in size and valving?

 

[calamaridog]

John, no matter how you try and spin it, and Christo has done a great job of being diplomatic about your inaccuracies...

It's smart to be diplomatic with your customers, especially ones who encourage others to purchase your products. Kudos to Mr. Slee for his patience.

As far as John goes, I appreciate his enthusiasm greatly. My enthusiasm for these trucks, and modifying them, has been influenced by many of his posts and pictures.

Tech forums have no room for such incorrect information

And the advice regarding technical posts should be followed by ALL participants, myself included. Wow, this forum isn't going to have many new posts

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

It's smart to be diplomatic with your customers, especially ones who encourage others to purchase your products. Kudos to Mr. Slee for his patience.

As far as John goes, I appreciate his enthusiasm greatly. My enthusiasm for these trucks, and modifying them, has been influenced by many of his posts and pictures.



And the advice regarding technical posts should be followed by ALL participants, myself included. Wow, this forum isn't going to have many new posts

Dog: Your writing here reminds me of an articla on Slee's website. It's the one about which lift vs what tire size vs off-road capability. It's well written, doesn't get too technical, and for newbies it simply explains why he preferred one setup over another. Some agree with his conclusion and some do not. And that's OK.

I think one of the reasons so many "newbies" come to me personally (including PM's) is because I've got 5-years experience wheeling 100's and at many different stages of the buildup progress. I'm glad that you (they) see my enthusiasm in this forum.

While I may not always be able to give the "techy" reasons about one setup vs another I believe I am credible in comparing various "setups" just like Slee did in that article. You don't have to be a "techno-genious" to form an opinion as to which "setup you prefer". You simply need experience in the seat to form that opinion, and opinions may vary...which is OK too.

In this thread....a newbie doesn't need (or necessarily want?) to know about forces, gravity, blah, blah. A newbie might simply ask "which shock do you recommend for my 100?" "The N101 or the N74L?" The point of my post is to show my experience in the 863/N74L setup off pavement. I believe a newbie will find that helpful (including the pics) and the rhetoric about technical issues less so.

 

[sleeoffroad]

In this thread....a newbie doesn't need (or necessarily want?) to know about forces, gravity, blah, blah. A newbie might simply ask "which shock do you recommend for my 100?" "The N101 or the N74L?" The point of my post is to show my experience in the 863/N74L setup off pavement. I believe a newbie will find that helpful (including the pics) and the rhetoric about technical issues less so.

Again, this thread was about a shock pushing the axle down, it had nothing to do with what shock you recommend. That was brought into the thread later on.

I wanted to ask the question in another thread, and not mess up Bull's thread. You keep bringing the N74L shock into the discussion. I asked about any shock.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Again, this thread was about a shock pushing the axle down, it had nothing to do with what shock you recommend. That was brought into the thread later on.

I wanted to ask the question in another thread, and not mess up Bull's thread. You keep bringing the N74L shock into the discussion. I asked about any shock.

I know why you started the thread. I'll try to share my experience once more than I'll bow out. This is what you picked up on and replied to:

"Quote:
Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100
Adding the N74L shocks helps this "problem" as the added rear pressure on the rear wheel when flexed helped to put added pressure on the opposing front. This helped F&R in the articulation dept.

Slee said:
Hijaak, how does the N74L put more pressure on the axle than the N74 when the are valved the same? The only thing that is happening is that the axle droops out more in the rear. It does not push the front down."

OK, here's the example pics I gave:

BEFORE the longer shocks were added, in both these spots at some point I would have had the driver's rear wheel drop to the ground, shifting the weight in the rear downward and therefore front-end upward. The passenger front wheel would have been off the ground, AND the driver's front tire would have been LESS stuffed because the weight is lessened on the front.

Then, as I passed the summit of the obstacle the front would have dropped down (gravity) and the driver's rear wheel in the air. Basically do a little teetering when the weight shifts to the front.

By having all wheels on the ground (due to gravity, spring, shock, force....I don't care) the teetering doesn't happen, the vehicle stays more parallel to the ground, and in these cases/pictures the front passenger side wheel remains on the ground and the stuffed wheel stuffs more because their's more weight on the front.

I've been through a lot on this truck. Speaking of weight distribution and articulation/feeling more stable....check this out:

This is what I used to live with BEFORE adding your rear bumper:

The front weight of the V8, the ARB and the winch always made this thing front-tippy, especially on downhills. A pic like this was common. I knew I needed to balance the weight more F&R. Adding your rear bumper helped my stability!

Now, here's a pic with your bumper on and N74L in the SAME SPOT (and that spot's worse now than before):

Huge improvement, huh? In fact...look at both of the front passenger wheels. Look how much more stuffed it is compared to the top picture. Why, I obviously don't know how to explain....but it is! This is what I mean by the truck being more stable and it flexing better.

So you see....while I may not always have the "techno" words, I think I make my comments and form my opinions based on on-trail testing.

I know I bugged you for months to investigate N74L's on the 100. Once you posted the ingredients to make the setup work I tested. Results "in newbie lingo"....are that they offer a notable improvement. Thanks for dragging those shocks out that day and posting up. My ride is better than ever thanks to you doing this...AND you sold a pair of shocks.

In conclusion.....the pics don't lie. If I'm dead wrong in the above writing as to why the big improvement exists off-road, that's OK....tell me. Disputing the results however is misleading to the newbies, my website, and the magazines.

 

[calamaridog]

John,

I don't think anybody is disputing the results or your impressions of the improvement, only the technical description of the why and how.

We're not all mechanics here, and I think the people who grasp the exact mechanical aspects are just saying that some of your "tech" posts are more subjective than objective.

So if you phrase some of your posts differently, then maybe you won't get so much crap And I figure "better you than me" because some of my explanations have certainly been suspect too!

And I can't even remember the actual topic of this thread anymore, even though Slee has been so kind and restated it several times...

Repeat after me:

My impressions of this modification are...
My opinion of this modification is...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John,

I don't think anybody is disputing the results or your impressions of the improvement, only the technical description of the why and how.

We're not all mechanics here, and I think the people who grasp the exact mechanical aspects are just saying that some of your "tech" posts are more subjective than objective.

So if you phrase some of your posts differently, then maybe you won't get so much crap And I figure "better you than me" because some of my explanations have certainly been suspect too!

And I can't even remember the actual topic of this thread anymore, even though Slee has been so kind and restated it several times...

Repeat after me:

My impressions of this modification are...
My opinion of this modification is...

Yes. I've got that. I wanted to give Mr. Slee one more idea of where I was coming from. Obviously....I can't write well. Thank god I can talk though or I'd have no friends!

What do you think of those 2 bottom photos?

 

[calamaridog]

I'm looking forward to some first hand impressions

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I'm looking forward to some first hand impressions

Yezzzzzz

 

[wngrog]

Now, here's a pic with your bumper on and N74L in the SAME SPOT (and that spot's worse now than before):

You are in the same relative spot, but that picture does not mean anything to me.

The truck is in a shallower approach in the second picture.

Front tires stuffed better, yes, but that may be bacause the rut is more washed out or your truck weighs more with the extra stuff on it.

Longer shocks in the rear will not make 6" of difference as you are implying by comparing those tow pictures as the "SAME SPOT"

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

You are in the same relative spot, but that picture does not mean anything to me.

The truck is in a shallower approach in the second picture.

Front tires stuffed better, yes, but that may be bacause the rut is more washed out or your truck weighs more with the extra stuff on it.

Longer shocks in the rear will not make 6" of difference as you are implying by comparing those tow pictures as the "SAME SPOT"

OK

Umm...nope...this popular spot is deeper in the second pic (due to age and use)

Yes, could be...and I think you're right...it's because the rear is down more too due to the rear bumper. This is for the techy's..not me.

Correct...though I didn't imply that. I pointed out above that the bumper made a big difference too. In between adding the bumper and then adding the L-shocks I've been there too. The truck drove flat with the rear bumper. The weight balance made the most improvement in this spot...though I'd teeter on 2 wheels until I added the L-shocks. Without that bumper, the thing would have still been a wheel-lifter...just a bit smaller a one.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

OK

Umm...nope...this popular spot is deeper in the second pic (due to age and use)

Yes, could be...and I think you're right...it's because the rear is down more too due to the rear bumper. This is for the techy's..not me.

Correct...though I didn't imply that. I pointed out above that the bumper made a big difference too. In between adding the bumper and then adding the L-shocks I've been there too. The truck drove flat with the rear bumper. The weight balance made the most improvement in this spot...though I'd teeter on 2 wheels until I added the L-shocks. Without that bumper, the thing would have still been a wheel-lifter...just a bit smaller a one.

John, how many more people have to spell it out for you, and the point they can see being made, before you get it?

Its about you, not the car, or the shock, but the way YOU go about trying to tell everyone about it.

Go your hardest, let everyone know, but follow it up, back it up, and stop trying to twist the situation when it doesnt go your way, and make it worse, when you come up short on knowledge, and just ask, thats why everyone is here, to offer as much as they take, or more.

Im done on the subject, but if you ever want information, always feel free to email or PM me, or Christo, or who ever, as I and others Im sure are always happy to help, but dont continue trying to bluff your way through the unenviable position of being contacted by people about stuff you admit you know nothing about, and try and tell them how good it is, unless its your opinion only

Id hate to see such enthusiasm as yours for the vehicle not used to help others who started where we all have, but we all need to know our field of expertise, and work with our strengths, and sometimes, thats putting people in touch with others.