Agree! If you look back at the old marketing posters for the 40, you could always find the phrase "Toyota's BIG SIX" for the motor....That being said, I would take the 5.7 going up and down i70 any day of the week...
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Also, I meant to say thank you for posting & sharing the q&a @Canyonero . It was really interesting to read and hear what is going on at Toyota!
I disagree these takes I think the numbers of people wanting luxury are in the minority, I think if they offered a cloth/stripped down version it would be the number #1 seller for Land Cruiser.
Regarding pickup trucks, yeah they offer lux models but they only sell a small percentage in those trims. The F-150 sells approximately 70% of its trucks in XLT trim or below, lux trims are ~20% and Raptor is about 10%.
Another interesting tidbit: what is the #1 selling vehicle in homes of americans making > $500k/year?
Answer: F-150
I would take a stripped down model any day. Given the choice I'd be driving a 70 Series Troop Carrier with a diesel, manual transmission, and vinyl interior.
Our '16 Tacoma has a manual. It took us a month to find a dealer willing to order it and three months for it to be made.
Our '16 Tacoma has a manual. It took us a month to find a dealer willing to order it and three months for it to be made.
Probably true, but the vast majority of that 70% are the white stripped down work trucks, where Ford holds the majority of the market.
What segment would that be?
BOF, spartan, off roader? Jeep has that segment. Toyota's entry is the 4Runner and the bottom rung SR5 has low take rate as it is.
It's pretty simple, if it would have made Toyota money, they would have already done it. They don't have board meetings trying to conjure up ways to NOT make money. Just because a few enthusiasts on a forum would buy one doesn't mean anything. Also, it's not as simple as putting some cloth seats in a 200 and throwing it on a boat to the USA.
Would I buy a stripped 79 with the 5.7? Maybe. I didn't really see any shortcomings during Moab with my 200. Blasting through the desert with cooled seats, plush interior, and all the electric gizmos, isn't too bad. If you've never driven a 70, it's a borderline farm truck. Exactly four people would pay 50k for a stripped 200.
A vast majority of the F150 sales are fleet units.
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Tony is definitely not wrong about the 70 series. The main reason they come with the 1HZ as standard is to protect the passengers. If you went fast in them, they'd destroy your kidneys, spine, and rattle your teeth out of your jaw. Those rear leaves are not suited for comfort. Even with the new turbo V8 available in SA, Namibia and Australia, the 70 isn't a comfortable or family vehicle by any stretch. Reliable, hell yeah! Comfortable, I'm used to the comfort of an 95' 80 series VX, and couldn't see driving one. It is a farm/mine/NGO/terrorist vehicle that will take you to hell and back as often as you want for 20 years. Just be prepared to visit the chiropractor a lot!
I disagree because like @TonyP said Toyota is the game of making money and would do what you've outlined if it made economic sense. It doesn't matter what enthusiast forum you're on or what vehicle you're talking about, there is always a small contingent that says "give me no power windows, no power steering, no radio, no AC, etc. etc. and I'll be happy", but the reality is that customer base is essentially nonexistent. I would wager money that many of those people who claim they'd love a bare bones truck would start complaining about the lack of equipment in short order. In today's day and age of nearly autonomous driving fully connected vehicles running on batteries or hybrid drivetrains, it makes absolutely no sense for one of the world's largest manufacturers to make a bare bones, body on frame, gas guzzling V8, off road focused behemoth for a minuscule number of enthusiasts. I am just happy we get the 200 in any form in the US along with the Tacoma and 4Runner, and it sounds like we'll get to keep a lot of what makes the 200 great in the future 300.
Let me clarify, b/c you took it beyond my statement/intent and comparison.
What I say stripped down, I mean XLT/SR5 level. Nobody is talking about no A/C, no power steering. Those trim levels are what most want in a utility vehicle.
My opinion is that Toyota only offers the Land Cruiser/LX 570 in luxury trim at a premium price point because the they value the benefits of (1) "Prestige Pricing" and (2) they have the lower price points covered by higher margin products.
How many of those F150s are white and belong to a fleet of trucks? And is that XLT reference to infer that people don't want luxury too? What if people who want luxury don't tend to look ok at F150s in the first place? F150s stripped down are dirt cheap. Odd comparison.
In your opinion, how much should a stripped down 200 cost?
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NEW???? It's BETTER than new!!!
did anyone get to ask Dave about the fuel purging vapors issue we were experiencing in Moab?
Yes, the answer was basically "no idea, don't worry about it"
I brought in the F-150 facts only in response to an earlier poster. They said that the luxury options in today's pickup market were proof that americans wanted luxury SUVs. I disagreed with this assertion.
I'm not sure how many are fleet, I think Ford sells about 1/3 of their vehicles in fleet. And they sell about 50 - 80,000 F-150s a month.
But, if we're talking vehicles that are capable, practical, reliable, and offering utility - the F-150 is relevant.
I am interested in the Landcruiser in GX trim, like the yoffer in Australia. This truck's MSRP is around $60K I think, with a diesel. In the US with a 5.7, maybe it could be sold ~$55k new. That, would be interesting. They would definitely sell more than the current pace of 200-250/month.
But if those sales come at the 150 series expense, it really doesn't make much sense from the company's point of view. There is more to this question than just pure 200 sales numbers when you're talking so few numbers.
Ha - keep on trucking, drop the windows and dont smoke for a while.
Then we told him it was pouring out at times, he paused for a second got a weird look on his face and once again said "it's normal, don't worry about it"
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Then we told him it was pouring out at times, he paused for a second got a weird look on his face and then said "it's normal, don't worry about it"
That was difficult first question. LOL
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Looking back, I've gotta say that Dave's dismissal of Land Cruisers puking gasoline on the trail was at least a little bizarre. Dave did mention he thought the heat in Moab is more intense, due to being in riverbeds (I'm paraphrasing.)
Seems like a big deal to me, and not far-fetched to say that one of our trucks could certainly explode with the toss of a cigarette or any other ignition source. The fumes with windows down were pretty damn strong. For our trucks to be able to cross this apparent threshold to which they no longer keep the fuel IN THE TANK, it seems there would be a warning light or something.
Someone posted a video recently with the testing of the 200. 5 years of testing before they released the truck. Every environment (allegedly.) Did they never hit a trail in Moab in the summer?
We mentioned to Dave, all the variables we had tested for: type of fuel, how full the tank was, exterior temperature, year of the 200, etc., and we explained that we had found no pattern other than all 200's do this when they're in Moab, period.
Seems like a big deal to me, and not far-fetched to say that one of our trucks could certainly explode with the toss of a cigarette or any other ignition source. The fumes with windows down were pretty damn strong. For our trucks to be able to cross this apparent threshold to which they no longer keep the fuel IN THE TANK, it seems there would be a warning light or something.
Someone posted a video recently with the testing of the 200. 5 years of testing before they released the truck. Every environment (allegedly.) Did they never hit a trail in Moab in the summer?
We mentioned to Dave, all the variables we had tested for: type of fuel, how full the tank was, exterior temperature, year of the 200, etc., and we explained that we had found no pattern other than all 200's do this when they're in Moab, period.
It's not the heat, I can attest to that. A few months ago I was up in the mountains at about 60*, there was still a heavy gas odor from the rear of my 200.
