My wife of reason has reminded me after reading this thread I have no room in my life for this level of drama. I'm sure CSC will be fine moving forward.
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murf
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I like the idea of re-election every year to keep the load off any one person for too long.
Phil and Kevin can alternate?
Phil and Kevin can alternate?
Why do we need a President, again?
^^^ Well, isn't it an actual club / non-profit corp, even though it's rather free-form? In order to do things like support trails, cleanups, liase with the govmint, etc. it's better to be a "real" organization rather than "we're just a bunch o' wheelers"... we get taken more seriously that way.
Amongst founding members is a good way to keep the laid back feel of CSC , but still have some form of limited structure, to manage things like trail clean ups, CSC voice (when needed) and for any of the many new folks that show up.
We don't need a growth plan, just be a little more welcoming, for folks that do stray toward us. Kevin, Phil, or any of the original founding members , would be ideal for keeping us very loosely organized . Nothing wrong with just a hunt of structure . It's kind of like adding egg to the batter, to keep the breading together . I will support the cause, for sure.
We don't need a growth plan, just be a little more welcoming, for folks that do stray toward us. Kevin, Phil, or any of the original founding members , would be ideal for keeping us very loosely organized . Nothing wrong with just a hunt of structure . It's kind of like adding egg to the batter, to keep the breading together . I will support the cause, for sure.
I'm all for it. I dunno what a 'founding member' is or how that's defined, but I don't think that should be a criteria of office. I wouldn't argue against a certain number of years of participation to be a requirement. It's been awhile since I read the founding articles for the club, was there an outline for this stuff in there?
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I like the sound of the annual or every two year vote. No one should feel like they are trapped. Maybe Phil for president and Kevin for Vice President if they are willing to make the commitment.
I was only referring to the fact that I would be considered a newer member, from 07. The club was in full swing before I joined. I was just trying to state that there are more veteran members here , that would have more of a stake, in the beginning of Copper State Cruiser.
I was merely giving respect, where respect is due.
The one thing I always loved about this place, meetings, trail runs and events was the sarcastic, dry humor that was meant to be given tongue and cheek. It seems we have strayed away from the tongue and cheek portion , more and more. Now it just seems to be more sarcasm without the smile to go with it.
It's ok to reset the circuit breaker occasionally and get back to what makes this place one of the best places to visit on the interwebs and in person. Again no disrespect is meant here. Just an observation from where my .02, sits
At the risk of sounding like an anarchist, what are the President's duties? Phil has done a fantastic job as Treasurer in the 7 years I've been in CSC (and thank you Phil), but still not sure what the Pres does in that role. Bman used to call a ,"meeting" to order and we'd discuss any upcoming plans, but that's about all I could see - the rest happens here on mud. As far as involvement & being taken seriously, TRAL is a very effective vehicle. We, as a club, haven't organized a clean up in quite a while, since Fossil Creek IIRC, but runs, dinners, etc. all are effectively planned " free form" here. Perhaps we should appoint a commissariat....
Just my $0.02, hope y' all don't vote me out...
Just my $0.02, hope y' all don't vote me out...
this "real club" s*** is getting irritating. "lets have rules", "lets be more formal", "lets meet other places". Cant wait for this to end. A bull**** session at the Sonic every 3rd friday and giving every one s*** and being sarcastic and no one getting butt hurt is what draws most of us. The organization of trail clean ups and trail runs falls from all that, not the other way around.
I like the idea of all club positions be elected yearly. If one likes to serve more than one year, then that person can rerun for the position the following year.
I have been thinking about stepping down from what I am doing for the club due to personal reason. This is a perfect timing for me to make that decision. Yes, I want to step down and please have someone elected for the web maintenance job. I will still go to meeting when I am available, and will share pictures with the new officer.
I have been thinking about stepping down from what I am doing for the club due to personal reason. This is a perfect timing for me to make that decision. Yes, I want to step down and please have someone elected for the web maintenance job. I will still go to meeting when I am available, and will share pictures with the new officer.
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Before I get strung up, this is IMHO (in my humble opinion), as in; not speaking for anyone else. My opinion on this subject is what it always has been and isn't likely to change.
The main function of a "club" like this is to provide the conduit/communication for those who have like interest (in this case Toyota 4x4's) to get together and share experiences. It only needs to be as "organized" as needed to meet the goals, or the "organization" gets in the way of the fun. If those goals include things like; a national event, insurance, fund raising, etc, then the organizational would need to be stepped up. If it is simply to be taken "seriously" by some random entity, why would we care what they think, total waste of effort.
The "meets" were named "cruise" for a reason, they were never intended to be "meetings", on purpose, intended to be strictly a social event. The previous club that many came from, was all about organization/politics/structured meetings/etc, so this club was intended to be about having a good time, with only the minimum of organization/structure required to meet that goal.
Common among all of this type of clubs that I have been involved with is the level of member participation. Some do a ton of work, others can't commit that much, for the most part it's all good. But it's way too easy to forget that all involved are volunteers, they are here primarily for their enjoyment, not yours. In other words; you are likely to get enjoyment to the level of the effort that you put in. It is way too easy to sit at the keyboard and bitch that your needs are not being served, they don't wheel in my area, on my favorite type of trail, etc, etc, I'm not being "accommodated". Guess what, there is no one here to "serve" you, and there shouldn't be. The fix is simple, roll up your sleeves and plan/post the type of event that you enjoy.
My participation has been less than I would prefer, have been busy, IIRC there were 9 people here at one point today, so haven't even had the time to keep up with the latest drama on the forum. TRAL is aggressively growing, like taking over, reorganizing/overhauling the adopt a trail program from Forest. From our lunch meeting at Macayo's today, bigger things are coming down the pike, so several of us will likely be stepping up participation on that side. IMHO, if you care about having public lands available to enjoy OHV on, it's the most important local thing to support/be involved in.
Votes, whatever? I haven't seen the long list of those willing to step up and work for the club, most who want to, already do? The way I see it, if someone wants to step up, lets exploit it? If Phil wants to, why wait for a vote, anoint yourself prez, dictator, king or whatever floats your boat? If having a "title" makes some willing to do more, by all means, lets hand them out! We can have the official Jester, Sargent at Arms, Trail Safety Officer, etc, etc!
My observation, this club has grown, functioned very well without "officials", but again, that is just my opinion.
The main function of a "club" like this is to provide the conduit/communication for those who have like interest (in this case Toyota 4x4's) to get together and share experiences. It only needs to be as "organized" as needed to meet the goals, or the "organization" gets in the way of the fun. If those goals include things like; a national event, insurance, fund raising, etc, then the organizational would need to be stepped up. If it is simply to be taken "seriously" by some random entity, why would we care what they think, total waste of effort.
The "meets" were named "cruise" for a reason, they were never intended to be "meetings", on purpose, intended to be strictly a social event. The previous club that many came from, was all about organization/politics/structured meetings/etc, so this club was intended to be about having a good time, with only the minimum of organization/structure required to meet that goal.
Common among all of this type of clubs that I have been involved with is the level of member participation. Some do a ton of work, others can't commit that much, for the most part it's all good. But it's way too easy to forget that all involved are volunteers, they are here primarily for their enjoyment, not yours. In other words; you are likely to get enjoyment to the level of the effort that you put in. It is way too easy to sit at the keyboard and bitch that your needs are not being served, they don't wheel in my area, on my favorite type of trail, etc, etc, I'm not being "accommodated". Guess what, there is no one here to "serve" you, and there shouldn't be. The fix is simple, roll up your sleeves and plan/post the type of event that you enjoy.
My participation has been less than I would prefer, have been busy, IIRC there were 9 people here at one point today, so haven't even had the time to keep up with the latest drama on the forum. TRAL is aggressively growing, like taking over, reorganizing/overhauling the adopt a trail program from Forest. From our lunch meeting at Macayo's today, bigger things are coming down the pike, so several of us will likely be stepping up participation on that side. IMHO, if you care about having public lands available to enjoy OHV on, it's the most important local thing to support/be involved in.
Votes, whatever? I haven't seen the long list of those willing to step up and work for the club, most who want to, already do? The way I see it, if someone wants to step up, lets exploit it? If Phil wants to, why wait for a vote, anoint yourself prez, dictator, king or whatever floats your boat? If having a "title" makes some willing to do more, by all means, lets hand them out! We can have the official Jester, Sargent at Arms, Trail Safety Officer, etc, etc!
My observation, this club has grown, functioned very well without "officials", but again, that is just my opinion.
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What difference would it possibly make? If you are referring to impressing the agencies, they don't care, are not going to check the type of organization, number of officers, etc, means nothing, as in ZERO to them. The great reputation that CSC has is from they way we conduct/represent ourselves on the trails, period.
Trust me, if you are out locally, run across an agency officer who notices that you are representing CSC (shirt, sticker, etc), you will be treated with more respect than average, unless you screw up. CSC has a great reputation, you largely have those who work with the agencies to thank for that.
inkpot
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Dude! Be nice, now. Your not supposed to go around giving Shannon the finger.I knew there was a reason that I like you,,, couldn't put a finger until now!
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Dude! Be nice, now. Your not supposed to go around giving Shannon the finger.
He lives for the finger!
inkpot
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I'm assuming that there are bylaws that define officers, terms, elections, quorums required to change the bylaws? If there are no rules about changing the rules, then we can't change the rules. So, CATCH 22
Proof positive that we're going off the rails. Shannon's is the first voice of reason.
Feel free to assume anything you want, but you know the answer already.
Said in bylaws or by you?
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I have never heard anyone talk about CSC bylaws, so I have no idea if they exist or what the content might be. That's the reason I mentioned it. It was a frequent topic of discussion at AzLCA> Seriously.
